Even as broken clock is right twice a day but that’s the guy who peddles AQ cables…
Hi Boris,
I’ve read through many of your comments in different categories and they always speak plain language and I like that because that’s how I am too. The problem with many people who allow themselves to be blinded is that they declare them the enemy (that’s stupid…). In any case, I think it’s good how you try to clarify things with technical arguments (magic fuse or 24K Oled cloth). When I sometimes read here how people make the Hifi & High End Mafia rich it’s crazy…but in defense of the people:
Everyone is their own creator of happiness and everyone spends their money where they think.
I think you are a clown. An opinionated clown, who is also right twice a day. But that wasn’t hard because I explained the same thing already, twice.
Darko is definitely not always right, but he does know how to explain the pros and cons of streaming services. That’s why he sprung to mind as noteworthy. I’ve had my beef with him also, but that doesn’t mean I don’t watch him on things he has more experience with than me. Because I’m not a tool…
You obviously have an opinion, even if it’s founded on ignorance. Like I mentioned, high res makes it easier for ALL DACs to filter out high frequency digital rubbish. That goes especially for sigma delta DACs. While it’s debatable if human ears can hear above 22kHz, that’s definitely not the same thing as decoding frequencies above 22kHz. The difference is discernable bij anyone that is intellectually honest and has normal hearing.
I have had this discussion numerous times with people who just kept parroting this denial of the benefits of HR. I invited people over to put it to the test. I sat them down in front of my system with my dac (a basic dac that I heavily modified myself) and I won the argument in 3 seconds.
Flac is not ‘compressed for transmission’. It’s literally a “Free Lossless Audio Codec” from the time that storage was expensive and limited and there were no streaming services.
DSD is Direct Stream Digital and developed by Philips and Sony for the storing of studio masters in the best possible quality. Being able to do calculations or mixing etc like Pulse Code Modulation (PCM) was not a prerequisite. So besides being the best quality digital audio format is has a lot of practical use. The reason it isn’t distributed more is because the studios don’t like to hand out their valuable masters like candy on Halloween.
If you care to debate that, ask Paul, from PS Audio. Take his word for it. He records exclusively in DSD128 or higher. And he has the gear and the ear to know.
I really think you should think more before you speak.
You say a lot that isn’t true. You don’t really say anything helpful (only derailing and distracting) and you certainly don’t say it in a kind manner. And opinions are not facts.
As you can see, people do not want to be “educated.” They want to get a confirmation that whatever overpriced doodad they have bought on some swindler’s advice is good.
Unless you are some fancy “audiophile” equipment with a frequency response that looks like this /\/\/\/\/\/ you would be hard-pressed to find anything not sufficiently revealing above $100 price point.
And those things would be? Other than prostituting himself for free AQ cables, that is.
Unless your DAC is some overpriced NOS R2R hack job, this hasn’t been a problem in years.
Debatable? Why stop at 22KHz then? Debate whether MHz frequencies make any difference, too.
To people who on principle refuse blind tests (that is to say, ignorant clowns) it might be. Maybe to bats as well. But nobody else.
Lots of benefits of e.g. 24 bits (not so much of higher sampling rates) for processing. More headroom and all. None for final playback.
Reading comprehension isn’t your strongest suit… Streaming services send stuff in either lossy (AAC or MP3 usually) or lossless FLAC (or ALAC) to keep egress costs and bandwidth requirements reasonable. For the speciufic original question, how they store data isn’t relevant.
“Best Possible Quality” meaning “we get to sell you both the equipment and recordings again” nothing more. With almost all recordings being processed, somewhere in the chain in PCM (they even made up a fancy “DXD” term for high resolution PCM) wasting storage space on DSD means nothing WRT quality.
Tons of places will happily sell you DSD files. Sometimes it’s even what was recorded.
You mrean Uncle Paulie MacSwindler, who was railing against the terrible and useless DSD when BS Audio did not have any DSD DACs, but suddenly started telling everyone how great it is, conveniently coinciding with BS Audio finally making a (pretty bad, like everything else they make) DSD player. Oh, sure, that is a very convincing authority on the subject. Not. He will say anything that sells BS Audio products. Can’t really blame him for it, he certainly can not compete on quality, so marketing is the only thing he has left.
If you want kind, you might consider guzzling another mason jar of whatever moonshine you are getting wasted on this week and head to HeadFi or Audiogon. I heard they have very convivial circle jerks there, telling each other how their “highly revealing” systems with “audiophile” fuses and $50K cables sound so resolving and musical that even the wife notices from the kitchen, and how the quality directly tracks the price tag.
It seems that someone who deals in criticism can’t deal with any himself. Full of bitterness. Devoid of any open mindedness. Or real experience. It’s easy to be a critic, not so easy to be a creator.
It’s all fine by me if you want to be a modern day crusader, thinking that the one who knows best is by any chance yourself.
But why not try to be open minded and allow eachother to perhaps learn something from one another. If not, no harm done. Happy life, Happy people.
Should we also be “open minded” and seriously discuss Flat Earth, phlogiston, or ether as well?
It’s one thing, perfectly valid, to discuss things that do make a difference. Different DACs may sound different (not as much or as often as people think, but they can), some people might prefer Klipsch sound or B&W sound, and a sufficiently low rate MP3 sounds noticeably different from the original.
But being “open minded” about magic wonder fuses, files ripped to FLAC not sounding as well as the ones ripped to WAV, and whatever nonsense Uncle Paul is selling today is not it. It is only encouraging crooks who prey on (often willfully) ignorant.
That’s what I meant, if you try to educate people, you’re declared an enemy… yes, that’s how it always is. And as I said, I’m not going to judge anyone! If people think they can spend so much money and listen to some “supposed experts”, then they have to do it. Everyone spends their money where they think they should and I just said that Boris is trying to educate people but he’s immediately scolded by the people who are so deeply caught up in their matrix of “supposed experts”. People, be fair to each other!!! And that’s the end of this topic for me.
As many people have been trying to tell you here, from @Jeep to me, data rate is a meaningless parameter for your question. Any bit depth/sampling rate combo has one, fixed data rate.
Ignoring DSD, which no streaming service provides, the 130, just like 150, 250, or 520, will pass PCM either in native resolution, up to 32/768, or at up to whatever you configure in the PCM Resampling men u in Output settings.
Thank you for the education. But you misunderstood my question.
Hence, I have changed the title to “Does the RS130 passthrough bit-depth, sampling frequency & data rates equivalent to a sourced file & equivalent to a music service?”
This question is not about Audio Quality. It is simply a question about understanding what RS130 outputs.
In other words, for media files like FLAC & for streamed media:
Is the RS130’s bit-depth output the same as the source’s bit-depth? Answer, Yes or No. – if no, elaborate what bit-depth is outputted & why?
Is the RS130’s Sampling Frequency output the same as the source’s Sampling Frequency? Answer, Yes or No. – if no, elaborate what Sampling Frequency is outputted & why?
Is the RS130’s data rate output the same as the source’s data rate? Answer, Yes or No. – if no, elaborate what data rate is outputted & why?
Please can a HiFi Rose representative like @ROSEHAN respond or anyone else who factually knows the answer: YES or NO with explanation.
The Music Service data rates you mentioned are the same as RS130 passthrough data rates. Lossy codecs of RS130 passthrough data rates are supported by converting to PCM.
You know, you’ve been given the answer to your question multiple times already. Always the same answer, too.
Not to be too rude about it, but maybe you should spend a little bit of time reading up on how digital audio works, so you could actually understand the answer?
1.Unless you tell it otherwise in the output setting section of the in/out setting menu then Rose will output the same sampling frequency and bit depth as the original.
2. The output data rate is sampling frequency times bit depth times two for stereo, it’s not a different variable, so it will be the same as the source rate unless you’ve told the Rose to upsample.
If you want to know more on how digital audio operates. Visit Hans Beekhuizen on utube he has a couple of vidio’s where he explains it very well. Also how it can get wrong.
but that’s the guy who peddles AQ cables…
People, be fair to each other!!! And that’s the end of this topic for me.