Sharisselis,
At 86dB Rose is on the ragged edge of audible. ChatGPT says the bottom end for human audibility of SINAD is 90 dB. 86dB is essentially in the audible range. Not acceptable for a very high end piece of equipment.
It’s like saying my Tesla can do 0-100 kph in ten seconds. OK for a Yaris but not a Tesla.
StandardModel
Again an answer full of infatuation : “I discovered this a long time ago,”!!! Didn’t you know even before the release of the RD160?
The internal pictures are completely different from the official specifications. With many manufacturers, the internal pictures differ depending on the construction version, but I have never met a serious manufacturer that presents the performances depending on the country, as you say.
A lie is still a lie, and if you can find another manufacturer that sells a 5000E DAC and lies about the specifications, I won’t say anything.
There was one, Exogal, but that bankrupted him.
Just interested, why have you ordered a 160, when you say at 86db Rose is on the ragged edge of audible and this is not acceptable for a high end piece of equipment
Great question- the obvious answer - he knows it’s all nonsense anyway
The ASR guys is like arguing with a bunch of teenagers living in the basement, it’s pointless . The trolls here are only slightly better . Here’s a good piece of advice: unless they own the equipment, don’t take their opinions seriously
There are two parts to it… a) at what point do differences become audible (once good enough, no, you can’t tell a difference between 150, 250, A/B versions of either, ESS, AKM, or even some stupid R2R hack job like LAIV or the new Topping) and b) Whether are expecting a premium-priced product to perform at a state of the art level.
The 160 has all the snake-oil marketing features that people with single-digit IQ (like the unicycle) swallow hook, line, and sinker, but it performs about as a $300 Node. Although Node at least has useful features and likely sounds more accurate.
Bustaship,
It’s a fair question. I ordered an RD 160 because I’m a total HiFi Rose fan boy so I stick with them no matter what.
Secondly, I’m 82 so my ability to detect very low noise levels is, to say the least, not what it once was. I lament the fact that when we’re young and have excellent hearing we can’t afford the best equipment and then when we get old and have the money to buy good equipment the hearing isn’t what it needs to be to appreciate it. Such is life.
Still, I think that Rose fell down on this piece of equipment if the published specification is correct. To continue my analogy, just because my Tesla will do 0-100kph in 3 seconds doesn’t mean I’m going to do it. I simply feel if I’m paying for superior SINAD, then that’s what I should get - for my grandson if nobody else. 37 Below has posted a page from the RD 160 manual and the specifications there seem to be much better than an 86 SINAD. Which is correct??
StandardModel
Apparently someone didn’t know that the RD160 is released in 2024/9, 5 months before the ASR post.
Many thanks for your response StandardModel.
Totally understand your comments regarding low noise levels. I have spent what I consider to be quite a considerable sum of money on my system, you know what spoils my listening the most, my tinnitus, spent all that money and still can’t listen without that hum in my head.
I don’t take any notice of the specs to a certain extent. I have had numerous discussions with sound engineers and speaker designers telling me a product is garbage based on specs without even hearing it.
Hope you’ll be pleasantly surprised when you receive the 160 and 130.
All the best
Bustahip
SINAD doesn’t tell you everything. For example, it cannot display the distribution of harmonic distortion. When two DACs have the same SINAD and one of them has mainly second harmonic distortion, your ears may feel that it has lower distortion.
Also, you don’t know if the test standards are the same, such as whether A-weighting is used, or whether notch-filter is used.
When you have no knowledge of the tester’s testing environment, it is best to be more cautious when comparing data from different sources.
I appreciate your comment about age. We should all be willing to do our part to make good audio systems accessible to the youth, so there is still an industry in the coming decades.
When i come back from hearing my dealers $300k Von Schweikert speakers i find myself saying things that sound very similar to the ASR guys and trolls . I guess it makes the sting out a little bit . LOL
I think you may be confusing SINAD with SNR.
Converting the 0.005% THD+N in the specification gives a SINAD of 86dB.
And you immediately knew that the published specifications were lying! You are still exhaustingly embarrassing and pretending to be right, for which you get definitively ignored. A truth, no matter who says it, ASR or someone else, it is still the truth.
You received a well-deserved place next to borism and burle.
And for the sake of rigor, if you haven’t found out by now, one is a product launch announcement, another is its commercialization!
But maybe you have paranormal abilities and read the specifications of a product from a distance!
I feel like I’m talking to a child.
The key point is TBC. After the RD160 was announced and before it was launched, the official website and media released information first. At this time, the information was followed by the note “to be confirmed”.
Rose’s official US website has always lacked real-time maintenance, which has resulted in their information being kept at TBC, unlike the Korean official website which has the latest information.
It’s that simple, I can’t understand what you’re mad about
And if you actually read the ASR discussion thread, you’ll find that someone mentioned about the TBC issue.
Do your homework before you get angry.
The problem is not how much SINAD is and what the value should be, the problem is that the manufacturer is lying about the published specifications!
