Notice Regarding Spotify Lossless Support

ROSE NOTICE
#205

So would a 2.4GHz WiFi, too. But seriously, even copper Ethernet has galvanic isolation (maybe not sufficient to survive a direct lightning hit, but then you really do have bigger problems!) so, again assuming a minimally competent design and no use of “audiophile” shielded “Ethernet” cables (which generally tend to fail at being Ethernet) this is a non-issue.

If anything, both WiFi and fiber SFPs add some comparatively noisy transceivers producing lots of high-frequency noise. Right inside that precious streamer :slight_smile: Of course in the real world it is not a problem but it is amusing that nervous cable tinkerers in their quest for darkening blacks and lifting veils would be just adding sources of high-frequency noise to their systems…

It’s quite interesting that when you look at professional studio equipment (you know, the stuff being used to actually produce all that music you listen to, so you’d think they would not be putting any extra noise into it) you will be hard pressed to find a single SFP module there, let alone using WiFi for anything where timing is important…

#206

That’s why more expensive devices have metal casings and additional shielding for sensitive components to make the system resistant to high-frequency noise. :100:
And recording studios have different requirements than home environments. That’s why I support high-quality WiFi.

#207

That’s like the basics of competent engineering and not really exclusive to expensive devices (a stamped metal cage isn’t exactly expensive).

If WiFi works it’s definitely very convenient. As for studios, they have more stringent requirements for certain things (which is why they might use external clocks and similar things) but not letting noise through is a basic common requirement…

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#208

Sure, I’d have $4,000 in the bank, but I’d also have a much more boring hi-fi rack. The issue isn’t the money—it’s that the Rose simply isn’t living up to the expectations I had when I bought it. They market the RS130 as ‘The Ultimate Network Transport,’ and I took them at their word. Right now, my opinion is that the software just doesn’t reflect that claim. I’m sticking with the hardware, but I’ll keep nagging their developers until they actually deliver what was promised.

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#209

I believed them in 2021 when I bought the RS150B. :joy:
The Rose HiFi app crashed at least once a day. Resetting the RS150B was part of daily listening. The remote never logged in permanently. I put it away in a drawer. When Tidal discontinued MQA streaming and introduced Masters FALC files, the RS150B started stuttering – I decided to switch. I bought the DMP-A10 and I’m in a different story. Everything in the EverSolo works. :laughing: :100:
The sound quality is better than the Rose. The electronics in the DMP-A10 are technologically superior. For example, two temperature-stabilized clocks, an extensive sound correction system, an isolated display, etc. And the Rose is on the shelf and for sale.

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#210

Gorsti

Why did you believe it and not test it? These days, it’s no problem to rent electronics, speakers, and cables; you just pay a deposit for the equipment and then calmly test it at home. I rented a few streamers before buying the Rose RS 151, and I tested the Rose RS 151 in audio stores four times, for 4-5 hours each time. The Lumina P1 mini was similar, and I had it at home twice before deciding which one to buy. Even when I bought the Rose RS 250 about four years earlier for less, I also tested it twice in an audio store and had it at home for five days.

I can’t understand people who buy audio equipment blindly, even though they have the opportunity to rent and test everything they expect from a given device.

#211

Wilk

Regardless of your satisfaction, the top model is selling poorly, and despite its already good price, it’s too expensive for the general public due to the Chinese government’s subsidy. And for many, the sound quality is poor compared to many streamers, which are only slightly more expensive than the ES. Personally, I’d rather buy the Lumin D3 than the Ever Solo, because it sounds better and I’d still have money left over for CDs. I wouldn’t buy the Ever Solo even if it were another 40% cheaper, because the sound is poor, and the sound is paramount to me, and as you can see, not just me, judging by the poor sales of the top-of-the-line Ever Solo.

#212

“Why did you believe it and not test it? These days, renting electronics, speakers, and cables isn’t a problem; just pay a deposit for the equipment and then calmly test it at home.” -

Your imagination doesn’t stretch that far. When I bought it, it was the first delivery to Poland, and there were no home testing options.

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#213

“I wouldn’t buy the Ever Solo even if it were 40% cheaper, because the sound is poor, and sound is my priority.”

For me, the quality of sound reproduction is key. And if you know how to use the DMP-A10’s capabilities, i.e., set all the parameters correctly (there are many variables), the EverSolo DMP-A10’s sound blows away the Rose RS151. :sunglasses:
Therefore, discussing sound quality with you is pointless because you can’t adjust the speaker and then write nonsense. :man_with_probing_cane:

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#214

Thanks for your input, Wolf and Cougar2025.

I actually agree with many of the points you both are making, and I appreciate the perspective. I don’t want to get too deep into a technical debate, as sound is such a personal and subjective experience. For my part, I am very happy with the choice I’ve made after my own process of watching YouTube reviews and doing thorough home testing.

To be honest, I’m quite humble about my own hearing—I’m not even sure I could consistently tell the difference between Spotify Connect and a lossless signal in a blind test. My only point is that when a product is marketed as ‘The Ultimate Network Streamer,’ it should live up to that promise and the timelines set.

In their statement from November 2025, HiFi Rose acknowledged the Spotify SDK issues and promised an ‘External Connect Module’ for early this year (February–March). As we are now in that window, I feel it’s fair to expect clear communication and a solution that matches the expectations for a $5,000 flagship device.

Wishing you both a great listening journey!"

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#215

I agree with you. :100:
If Rose presents its products as flagships, it can’t fool its customers. If it can’t programmatically provide free access to Spotify Connect, it has an obligation to provide a hardware solution at a nominal cost. Otherwise, customers will migrate en masse to the competition. Especially since WiiM, EverSolo, Lumin, and the like are becoming increasingly creative.

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#216

It’s no different here in Germany!

You can buy the device at full price, and if you don’t like it, you can return it.

So, if I want to test three streamers that cost €10,000 each, I first have to shell out €30,000, assuming I even have them, and buy all three and then return two. It’s quite a hassle, and you need to have money. It’s really not that simple.

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#217

That’s how it is in Germany. In Poland, there are no such commercial standards. Besides listening at the dealership using pre-arranged equipment, it’s very rare to rent a audio home for a few days.
Even if you have 50,000 euros, you’d rather rent a new Porsche than a McIntosh or Gryphon amplifier. :rofl:

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