Boris, now you’re deflecting and trying to justify your petty behavior.
We can look at a lot of other people who’ve you have trolled or tried to bully. Not just me.
Focus on the tech and music.
So the AVM is something I saw on a video at AXPONA.
I couldn’t make it this year.
The interesting thing is that they do offer models that are hybrids w tubes.
Not sure how they sound or how good their UX is.
Those who went saw the AGD all in one and most had favorable results. One person I know said he didn’t think it was that great. Several of those are not into AIOs and tend to stick w separates.
Intellectual majority is intellectual majority.
Which involves pointing out that tech works based on laws of physics, not ramblings of some former pointy-haired boss who measures capacitors by inductance.
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There you go Boris off the deep end.
D&K in effect.
Like I said. Its not me, but others are put off by you.
Focus on the tech.
Oh, yeah, Mssrs. Dunning and Kruger are having a field day here!
You’ve already picked out a very good German quality product.
The AVM Ovation CS 8.3 doesn’t offer automated digital room correction (like Dirac Live or Audyssey) in its standard configuration. It’s designed as a purist high-end streaming CD receiver that relies on excellent analog and digital components instead of room acoustic correction systems.
But AVM is simply overpriced and doesn’t offer any added value compared to, for example, T+A. Since T+A is also expensive, they do offer room correction functions in some of their all-in-one devices, but these aren’t always fully automatic measurements with a measuring microphone like some competing products (NAD, Lyngdorf, Trinnov). For example, with their Caruso all-in-one systems, T+A focuses more on high-quality manual/parametric EQ adjustment to adapt the sound to the room, rather than fully automatic measurement.
Cheers!
The AVM appears to offer the tubes that some want.
Price/value is relative.
Then the new AGD which is also a GaN amp that’s rated better than the Rose.
Also much more expensive.
Again its a question of price/value.
Boris says Rose isn’t high end… And that’s true.
But it is a good value and hits a sweet spot.
In terms of room correction. It seems that people complain about the Dirac but I haven’t heard anything negative about the Lyngdorf… could be that more people use the Dirac so who knows.
In terms of upgrading the RS520…
- Better wi-fi
- Better BT
- faster switching GaN (This should improve efficiency and sound)
- second set of speaker connections.
On the better wi-fi, BT, this could be as simple as adding different seperate wi-fi and BT USB units rather than a combo unit. It would mean updating OS to include additional PnP drivers. (This should be relatively straight forward. )
Also a heavier lift would be upgrading release of android.
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Which is just a marketing speak for “we can’t provide state of the art quality for the 21st century, so we sell on nostalgia for 1960s.”
Which isn’t exactly difficult to begin with, and slapping “GaN” label on an amp does not make it better anyway. When someone actually makes a GaN amp that is either better than Hypex or Purify or at least just as good but much smaller, wake me up. For now it is purely a marketing exercise.
Well, depending on one’s use case. It does offer the rather unique full-front screen, and if the limitations of software and lack of bass management aren’t a major issue it’s fine. And most components (apart from house-designed power amps) are fine, just not exactly state of the art for 2026.
Dirac is just most popular, since they only license it to anyone who pays. Lyngdorf, Trinnov, and possibly Anthem’s system might be somewhat better, but you only get them in their (quite pricey) equipment, with a few exceptions (you could get Lyngdorf’s RoomPerfect in some McIntosh models, and Trinnov is available as JBL Synthesis, which still is very expensive).
Dirac, or any similar system, still requires some manual process to set up, so unless one hires a pro to do it, sure, it is possible to mess up. If one knows what they are doing, it is quite a bit of an improvement.
I won’t necessarily say that my PowerNode, now that Dirac is available for it, sounds better than either of the Roses – can’t really compare systems in different rooms, hooked up to different speakers etc. etc. – but it is extremely competitive. And PowerNode isn’t even known for being a very good device.
Would be great, of course, but existing one is, theoretically, fast enough for any audio streaming, so unless they move to real WiFi7 and 6Ghz band, if you had interference problems before, you’d still have them…
Would not hurt either, but if you are using BT to feed a multi-thousand dollars streamer, something is wrong with that setup.
A more useful (and marketable) addition would be having a good (well, any, as it ain’t got none) headphones output.
It wouldn’t though. Efficiency gains of GaN over a well-designed silicone Class D amp are minuscule, so unless they repackage it into something the size of a Node or Wiim it wouldn’t really do anything, and no GaN made so far provides any sonic improvement.
Would be good, but how many people really are running multiple pairs of speakers from the same amp?
A proper subwoofer output (yeah, like a bloody $300 Wiim got!) would do far more for improving sound quality.
What practical benefit would it bring?
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Right, that’s why I included it in the post. They charge a fortune and can’t or won’t integrate a room correction system.
This seems somehow familiar. But Rose has EQ software, that’s the difference, and if Rose were to change their mind, the 150/151 would also have EQ.
You typed well, I must praise you.
Yes Boris you only get Lyngdorf’s room correction w their equipment. That’s part of their sekret sauce.
But in terms of head to head comparisons. Lyngdorf’s room correction beats Dirac.
But you also ask what practical benefit of upgrading the versions of Android.
I suggest you do some research on that. What other audio companies are still running Android 7?
Also you said that upgrading won’t give you spotify lossless. Are you sure about that?
I’ve got an iBasso running a later release of Android… it has Spotify lossless. But then again it has a spotify app running on it that you could download from Google Play. Funny how that is…
They did license it to McIntosh at least for a while.
Most likely. But Dirac beats no Dirac.
I did (alas, it did not involve watching paid-for youtube prostitutes, so sorry!).
What does it matter? You can’t run e.g. EverSolo’s software on a Rose. They could be running Android 7, Android 16, or Plan 9, the issue is in the software that is available to the user.
Yes. And Tidal Connect, too. Last time I checked, they did not require newer versions of Android for that. That Rose can’t implement it themselves and does not want to pay licensing fees for already sold devices, as they would need if they licensed the necessary software from one of the existing suppliers, is a completely different matter.
Exactly. And I have an ancient phone sitting in a drawer with Android 7, that says that it can absolutely run Spotify Lossless, too (I’m not going to actually sign up for Spotify to check, but that, and Tidal, both show as available and compatible with that phone). But that’s because you can download official software from the store. Probably can do high-res Apple Music, too. And Idagio, and Presto, and SiriusXM, and whatever other service people would ask for.
But Rose can’t run store apps. Not because of the Android version but because of lack of Google services and the odd aspect ratio. If it could, that would sold a lot of problems, but people would complain that they have to set the device on its side to read the screen 
and that nothing integrates with the RoseOS native UI and remote.
There are basically two approaches. One is to sell to people who want the best sound and convenience, within some reasonable budget contraints. You get stuff from Wiim on the lower and to something like Lyngdorf or T+A on the high end here. Of course you still can pay (a lot sometimes) for looks and brand name, but they start with solid foundation and put in features because they are useful (like RoomPerfect, configurable sub outputs etc. etc. The other one is to sell to people who haven’t heard their tweeters in a couple of decades, need to be reminded not to stick a fork into a wall socket, but are absolutely convinced that they can “hear” superiority of R2R DACs because they can at least pretend to understand how R2R works, while a superior Delta-Sigma DAC is completely Greek to them. Not naming any names, but we’ve all met such people To those a different set of brands can sell devices based on some cool story, promises of “pristine analog reproduction unsoiled by any digital processing,” “warm tube sound” and what not. Since this category of people would not actually hear any difference between pretty much anything that works in a blind test, you can sell them just about anything and at any price. If it comes with big VU meters, softly glowing vacuum tubes, and a story of some unique secret technology assembled by Mongolian virgins on top of a sacred mountain in full moonlight, even better. You can double the price again.
That’s pretty much the story Rose gives about disabling the EQ in 15x models.
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