Hi
I am looking to connect my HiFi Rose 520 to my Naim Supernait 3 amp. If I go RCA OUT can you change the line level volts or are they fixed on this model.
Yes you can. You can set it to do either… and you can also set the voltage too.
You also have toslink and spdif out too.
Not sure why you want to go to a Naim… you have 250wpc GaN amp in the 520.
Smegel,
I agree with you. That 520 internal amp is stellar state of the art. I would suspect at least as good if not better than the Naim. I doubt there will be any improvement.
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Hi, Thanks for the response. Maybe I am having an issue with my player. It does not go very loud.I have a l had the Naim supernait 3 and was thinking of selling. Only had the rose about a month. They are powering a pair of Dynaudio special 40 anniversary speakers.
I forgot to mention I also would like to use two subs. Would something like a Fosi audio ZP3 work well in this scenario?
You may want to make sure the output is set to fixed and a higher voltage. It usually defaults to something quite low.
Being a GaN-FET, there is absolutely nothing either stellar or state of the art about 520’s amplifier. It is fine, as long as your speakers are not very demanding, but no more than that. Of course, Naim are known for having their own sound, too, so really why would u=you use a 520 with a Nait, or a Nait with something that already has an amp?
It should be helpful, if your subs and speakers mesh well with Fosi’s rather limited HPF settings.
I do get quite good results from using 520’s built-in amp and feeding subs from RCA outputs, but I also run a strong room correction setup to get it all to mesh seamlessly.
I would say that the RS520 has the better amp.
But then again, there’s some subjectivity here. Different amps sound differently and the GaNs tend to be known to be faster and I think this will hit deeper too.
But to each their own.
Take what Boris says w a grain of salt. He’s a hater.
In terms of class D, in general GaNs tend to outperform others. Now not all GaNs are the same.
The amp in the 520 the same as their flagship and its a decent GaN. Better? Would be Orchard Audio.
(If your goal is for clean then its going to be a GaN. )
W.R.T subs.
It depends on the sub. If you’re running something like the REL you run them w your speakers w the third wire grounded. Or you can use the line out. You don’t need another amp.
W.R.T your speakers.
The Dynaudio are rated 6ohm. Shouldn’t have a problem in terms of sound/volume.
I’d check your settings and your source. There are a couple of areas where the volume can be set.
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And you are an ignorant clown, but whatever.
They don’t, unless you mean that the existing implementations have much higher noise and distortion…
Which would mean exactly what WRT an amplifier that is supposed to amplify iunput frequency as is? Do they make 500Hz into 550Hz or something?
It’s not the same. And same output into either 8 or 4 Ohm suggests very funny frequency response into any real life load.
It doesn’t sound bad, quite fine really, but if one likes the Naim sound they are not getting that, and they aren’t getting a state of the art “straight wire with gain” performance of a good class D amp either.
then you do not have any subs to begin with. You have a mediocre mid-bass reinforcement system. There are some speakers that might benefit from them (those little Bose cubes come to mind) but the OP has really good Dynaudios. If they want a sub, they need a real sub.
Finally, something reasonable. Definitely need to check whether there is software volume control set, whether pre-outs are variable or fixed, and if fixed, what the voltage is.
There are also settings for each input (input being something like “line-in” or “spotify” or “roon” that can be bumped up or down as well.
Boris, why are you such a hater?
Seems you didn’t do your research… because if you had, you’d know that the amp in the 520 is the same as in their flagship amp. And if you read the Stereophile review… HiFi Rose says 250wpc @8 ohms and while they say the same for 4Ohms the review tested that the 4Ohm wattage was actually higher than the published 250wpc.
And you also haven’t done much research into Class D amps.
So why don’t you hang out w the ASR crowd?
Just FYI here’s the measurements of the 520 from the review…
https://www.stereophile.com/content/hifi-rose-rs520-streaming-integrated-amplifier-measurements
No it is not, and Rose had stated as much. It’s just “inspired” by it, which isn’t necessarily a good thing anyway. Of course noticing it requires some reading comprehension, and that has never been your strong suit.
If you actually look at it, it starts audibly mucking up with frequency response with low-impedance load. Making something that does the classic 20-20 +/-0 has been possible since tube times. 520 manages to muck that up.
It’s not a terrible amp, you can certainly find worse, but you can also, as Stereophile’s review shows quite plainly, for those who know how to read, that you can get a budget amp-on-a-chip with better frequency response and channel separation that what’s in 520.
I know how they work. You just regurgitate whatever’s written in the marketing copy.
I am really sorry that you have tried to display your erudition over there and had your ass handed to you. Maybe you should stick to discussing things that you know something about. Nobody knows what exactly those are, as it is definitely neither audio nor networking, but there must be something. Maybe you could tell us about knowing not to stick a fork into a power outlet?
Boris had you been paying attention you’d know that the amp was the same. The RD180 has 4 of them.
That was the point.
On the RS520 they use a ESS Pro DAC chip, but they don’t have an external femto clock. Nor do they have any access to an external clock signal.
Its a question of trade offs.
And no Boris they don’t all sound the same.
If you do casual listening you probably don’t hear it.
But if you’re listening for the differences you can hear it.
If you think they all sound the same… go run w the Eversolo Play or the WiiM call it a day.
Sigh… “Utilizing the same GaN FET technology found in HiFi Rose’s flagship RA180 amplifier” It’s a… GaN FET amplifier, like the 180 has a “GaN FET” amplifier, but it’s not the same amplifier.
Had you actually read that Stereophile review you would have noticed that they pointed at a Topping (Stereophile! at a Topping, Karl!!!) amp as an example of how to do an amp right…
I am sure it is a great disappointment to people who listen to clock pulses. People who know something do know that rather than some esoteric and magical piece of wonder-gear made by Tahitian virgins on top of a mountain, out of unicorn poop on moonless nights, femto clocks are off-the-shelf chips that got for $15-20 in bulk and have no effect on sound quality. A stable picosecond clock will actually sound better than an unstable femtosecond one.
dCS, a company that knows a thing or two about DACs, and produces gear that makes anything Rose sells look indistinguishable from a $5 phone dongle doesn’t mention anything “femto” anywhere. I find them to be slightly more believable on that matter.
While some actually high-end companies do use femto clocks (again, because these things are dirt cheap and nothing special), generally, just like an I2S connection, it is a signifier of a low-mid class company with pretensions.
Exactly. If you have no idea how audio works, you will hear differences between fuses, clocks, USB cables, and phases of the moon. Alas, that perceived difference is caused only by your gullibility and not any acoustic phenomena.
In any real-world system and without jumping through hoops integrating things by hand and generating convolution filters, a Wiim will actually sound superior to any Rose stack. It just does not have a cool screen.
Boris I’ll have to dig up a response from HiFi Rose here on this site where I asked and got a response on this topic.
But here’s a free clue.
The 180 uses 4 GaN amps the RS520 doesn’t.
That said… why design a completely different amp?
Good luck with that.
And there’s some fancy Danish amp that uses Tesla coils. Doesn’t do anything useful, but people like you snap them up.
Why do they have 5 or 6 streamers now with completely identical performance? Because people pay for it.
I am sorry, I forgot to congratulate you yesterday for having graduated from s “network engineer with 40 years of experience” to “software engineer with 40 years of experience!”
Of course the idea of you being any kind of engineer is utterly laughable on its face. While engineers aren’t necessarily intelligent (software engineers make for some of the dumbest people I know) but they are supposed to know about that thing called “science” and be capable of critical thinking. You would not know what either of those is if they were to drop on your head from a near-Earth orbit.
You are very good at being a perfect mindless consumer though. As soon as you see some advertising copy, no matter how ridiculous, or even directly contradicting governing standards and/or laws of physics, you close your eyes, stick fingers in your ears, and scream “dammit, take my money!” at the top of your voice.
Explains your entire audio setup very well, really, as the only thing that slightly approaches ac decent quality gear there is your 520, and we know how well that thing works…
Hehe, my golden or even platinum solution is not to use the RS520 amp at all if one wants to achieve HiFi… simply connect that thing via cinch to a fine analog equipment, connect very good speakers to that … then connect your ears/brain because this is were we hear.
Hi, thanks
I know there are a lot out there lol. I love the Naim sound but I’m blown away by the Rose as a source. I have tried them all. Eversolo NAD and Cambridge. Just trying to find that certain sound for my space. I’m running two SVS3000 micros. I have over 15000 albums on 4tb drive and Roon. So happy so far.
Hi, sorted the volume problem. Just set the 520 to 100mv then placed the fixed volume at max. Naim Supernait 3 now has lovely volume control and wow it sounds great .
Oh, Rose is a perfectly fine source. The DAC is quite good (no matter what people drinking manufacturers’ Kool-Aid say, you will not get more accurate sound from a more expensive unit; of course if you want your DAC to add something that isn’t in the recording, it’s another matter) and the big screen is sweet. I would still sort of question why get something with an amp you are not going to use, but then Rose prices the 520 cheaper than the 150 with same sized screen, so it sort of makes sense.
Glad you got your volume issue sorted out. When RoseOS actually functions as intended it is quite flexible for integrating with other equipment.