I own a Rose RS 130. Question: Will it ever support HQ Player when imbedded in Roon? I was told I now need a dedicated Streamer that supports HQ Player NAA to do so.
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Hello,
In order for ROSE to appear in the output list when sending HQ Player’s output to the network, the HQ Player NAA (Network Audio Adapator) must be installed on Rose. However, currently Rose products do not support HQ Player NAA.
The NAA installation and executable files provided by HQ Player are for general-purpose OS (Windows, Linux, MAC, etc.), so they are not compatible with ROSE.
We will conduct an internal review regarding future support.
We will do our best to provide support if possible, but the application schedule seems to take some time.
DSD upsampling is the current big thing high end audio. Except some DACs like Mola Mola Tambuqu which can do good upsampling internally, many rely on external upsampling. Nothing comes close to HQPlayer on that. That’s the reason NAA is important.
I even tried connecting my noisy PC directly to rs130 via usb. But, neither rs130 nor my PC recognized it.
In the same way $1000 fuses and magic crystals are a bu=ig thing in high-dumb audio.
HQPlayer is very good at doing something absolutely useless. Very impressive piece of software, in what it does computationally. Just pointless unless you use it to apply convolutions. Which can be done much cheaper,
The problem with the RS130 is:
It don’t has (without network) any digital audio in.
In using HQPlayer (and I like it very much in using it with direct dsd DACs), you need at last step a direct connection to the used DAC, which you’ll have as RS130 user.
By the way: Some days ago, I’ve asked Jussie about transferring metadata through NAA and he answered, that NAA is able to do it.
So it can make sense also for brands like Audio Rose to contact Jussie for developing/getting an android based NAA.
DSD upsampling is not at all anything in any audio. You have a DSD capability in order to listen to DSD recordings. Every sample rate and format is always the best in its original sample rate and format. Where is the well known hifi puritism gone? Why do you want to alter original format? There is no technical reason for that. 1-bit DACs are thing of the past, no reason to do that. It is always the best to let DAC to do any sample rate or format conversion alone, engineers hwo made it knows better what a DAC needs.
RS130 is not a DAC, so there is no reason to have capybility to connect a PC. YOu have to connect your PC directly to the DAC, not RS130. There is no point in connecting your PC to RS130. If you do not have an USB input in your DAC you can always buy yourself an DDC like for example RME USBFace.
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Matrix Audio have now added support for NAA streaming in their streamers. It is sad that Hifi rose are falling further and further behind technically.
Definitely time to switch to another manufacturer.
Suuuure… Let’s not fix the bugs, or make sure that advertised functionality is working as it should. Let’s waste resources adding support for something completely useless instead!
I think we are all very clear on your opinion of HQPlayer, @BorisM, and we know you are not interested in it being added to HiFi Rose products.
Whats great about the world is that we are all different with different opinions.
I for one have worked with HQP and NAA a lot and find that it improves the sound if used correctly. That is why, personally, I would like it.
There’d be nothing wrong in adding it (although anything useful it does can be done easier and cheaper by other tools, and any time Jussi is asked to provide any proof that HQP’s unique features actually do anything he throws a linus, starts screaming about being a submarine sonar operator, and gets laughed out of the room) but not when the advertised functionality is not working. Let Rose fix that first, then we can talk about adding fluff.
Today I was convinced once again that competitors are rapidly developing, the sound quality of devices from the start of sales turns out to be improved, and not sold as new as old with new software. Matrix with the new update via the NAA protocol plays noticeably more interestingly and reveals musical meanings deeper. In my testing, the data source was a regular Macmini M4 with Roon and HQplayer installed. And this was enough to destroy the qualities of the RS130.
Unfortunately, if Rose continues to mark time, it will be easier for me to migrate to another endpoint.
By the way, there is another competitor - Gustard S26, it perfectly fulfills the role of an NAA client. When Audiolinux is installed, it can pretend to be an HQplayer. Recently I also heard it in comparison and did not find any weak points in it.
And will on the Matrix Audio display shown metadatas and cover while using it as NAA client.
Imagine… believing that a 130 has any sound whatsoever…
You can certainly muck up the signal with HQPlayer to sound different. One thing it can not do (apart from applying a convolution, which can be done just as well for free) is make anything sound more accurate and closer to the original recording.
Not that “revealing musical meanings deeper” meant anything at all in the first place.
Hello.
No, the screen displays only the operating status of the device in NAA protocol mode (as well as whether the stream is running or not).
Troll. You don’t even have to try.
One does not need to try hard to see that you have no idea what you are talking about.