Impressions after three months

I purchased a second-hand Rose three months ago from a very reputable retailer here in the US. I was replacing a Cocktail streamer whose functionality was fine, but it could no longer rip CDs because a) its database license was out of date, and b) the company had gone bankrupt. I had wanted a Rose device to begin with, so I pulled the trigger.

Overall, my opinions are decidedly mixed. But if someone were to ask me, I would recommend against purchasing a Hifi Rose device.

The positives:

The Rose took the place of two devices in my whole-house setup: the aforementioned Cocktail x14 and a Cyrus OneHD receiver. From that standpoint, it has exceeded expectations. I can run the audio out to my Niles distribution amp and no longer have to worry about input switching from afar. To that point, I have a turntable as the RCA in to this amp, and if I forget I’ve been playing a record and start streaming, the Rose switches for me automatically. Fantastic!

And the sound quality is superb, though perhaps a bit clinical. It pushes my in ceiling speakers directly, as well as giving sufficient power to the distribution amp, and I never lack for dynamics even at the lowest volume settings. In fact, I am often playing this at 10-20 or below on the volume.

The onboard UI is terrific, even if a bit laggy at times. That said, there are a lot of places where the steps to perform a given task are cumbersome and unintuitive, and that holds the unit back a bit.

The negatives:

The app is absolute garbage. I have no idea who designed this, but it is clearly centered around streaming apps, which is completely pointless. If people are streaming from Qobuz, Tidal, etc. they will primarily use the native app. No one is coming to your app first to stream from these services. The app should be centered on the storage of local files, or at the very least give you the ability to choose that as a preference. Instead, you have to go six clicks deep to get what you want. The app is stable, which is a plus, but having something this functionally useless be stable isn’t exactly saying much.

The device fails to store metadata properly, when it even recognizes it, which it fails to do often when ripping. And then it fails to sort and index properly by the metadata it does have, and you cannot search solely on the device. So I have hundreds of incorrect entries in my database, and now it is pulling them all separate from the intended sort factor. When you can store 2TB of files, that is a HUGE problem that is seemingly being ignored, or at least underplayed.

You cannot use DLNA or UPnP with this device. You can access the device from a PC, but these tools simply don’t work, even though there are a couple Rose claims as partners. I’ve tested them, and they fail. Meaning you have the Rose app… and no other option.

These latter negatives overwhelm what is undoubtedly a stellar playback device. It is a shame that it appears so little user research has gone into the app, and so much input from their online community goes seemingly ignored. Whereas the folks at Novatron who built the Cocktail were downright rude to me as an interested customer, Rose appears to just be apathetic.

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I’ve absolutely used Rose for DLNA playback. Once. It worked, but I had no use for it in my setup.

Only one point: The RS201 is a real old device, but get until Dec 2024 firmware updates. It seems, that this was the last one.
Not that newer devices like the RS151 or RS451 are perfect, but better in hardware and performance.
Qobuz connect had introduced to the newer models (since RS150 up), but also the RS201 can used as DLNA client, but (and this is IMHO a no-go) not gapless, because Openhome isn’t integrated.
But the RS201 is Roon Ready and using it, most problems will disappear.

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Roon is not an option for me as my internet is a metered cellular connection. And I shouldn’t have to pay hundreds of dollars more for decent metadata implementation and a properly functioning app.

Also, the recent EA updates include the 201, so I am hoping this will improve some of the issues. However, it being an older device is unrelated to any of the issues I described. These all still exist with newer devices.

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Yeah, OP bought a discontinued device.
Not sure what he was expecting.

The issue w the digital components is that they won’t age as well as those analog amps/pre-amps.

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Since my complaints are about the software, which is still fully supported and being upgraded, I not sure what your point is. My primary complaints are common to owners of even the newest Rose models, so… :man_shrugging:t3:

I have a RS520 which I bought used from a deal at a really great price.
While there are some quirks to the software… once you get used to it… you tend to ignore them.

Would I recommend the RS520? It would depend on the specific user and use case.
Would I recommend Rose products in general? Yes but again, it would be based on the specific user and use case.

There are a lot of other products out there that could also fit the needs depending on budget and how they use the product.

I will say that there are some quirks that are happening w the latest update. (Not the pre-prod release)
I just had my system needing a reboot when it tried to wake from standby and something went wrong. The system caught it and asked if I wanted to reboot or shutdown.

That didn’t happen before.

But once up… everything is fine.

The RS201 had been discontinued for a while. There were a couple B units you could get from Rose USA but I think they’re long gone.

The other issue… the more electronic / software features… the shorter the life of the component.
20yrs from now… do you think you’ll see a lot of RS520s or other DAC/Streamers in the second hand markets? I don’t. Its not like a Pass Labs amp or Krell Amp which you can see still running after 30+ years.

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This goes back to the point in my post about the DLNA/UPnP support. If the streamer were agnostic to software, it could have unlimited life. People are still using a Squeezebox 15 years later because LMS still works just fine for their needs.

The problem isn’t going to be the device or the manufacturer (directly). It is going to be the evolution of mobile OS support and the fact that the software will at some point become unsupported.

Open Source solutions avoid that issue. But manufacturers will also use this to their advantage. Just as mobile devices now have end-of-life at a fairly early stage, so too will the hardware which rely on those devices.

But again, none of that applies here, because Rose is still supporting the software for this device.

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