hi @ROSEHAN @ROSELOA- does RS150B now offer support for any room-correction products? If so, are there instructions? Thank you.
Not directly, and it probably doesn’t have enough horsepower to run proper convolutions.
If you are using an external player (Roon, HQPlayer, JRiver etc.) you could use those to apply room correction first. If you are playing from a PC, you could probably run Dirac on it, play to Dirac, and output to RS150 over USB as well.
I’m directly playing from the 150B and using McIntosh integrated amp to drive my speakers. I’m just wondering how the room treatment software (or hardware) will fit in to system.
Would be hard, I am afraid, there aren’t that many similar devices that offer room correction. There;s EverSolo, but I haven’t seen any reviews of how well it relly works, and there’s MiniDSP, which can run either convolutions, or Dirac, as I recall. I don’t think either would interface with 150 in any reasonable way.
Personally, I just use convolutions in Roon with great effect (and it also bypasses all the deficiencies in Rose’s software) but if oyu are only using built-in playback I do not really think there’s a way to do it short of creating a convolution filter for your room, and manually applying it to all of your files…
Got it. Thanks for writing back. I am really reconsidering this purchase and perhaps invest in a NAD streamer+DAC+integrated-amp combo instead of the 150B now because I have a really really challenging room with a total headache of acoustic problems (my first venture in to the hifi world - sigh)
My dealer doesn’t have a good return policy but I’d rather pay the restocking fee rather than go through buyer’s remorse forever.
And this forum is just proving that hifi-rose is using its customers as a test-base; a feeling I had even before buying the 150B but I got tempted and got it instead of the bluesound or NAD products that are exponentially cheaper. Heck, I am not even a fan of the rose app: it’s too buggy, not intuitive and looks cheap.
When it all works without issues, it’s friggin beautiful-sounding though.
I have an RS520, which is one box. So no tricks can be done.
Before I used a Sonos streamer and a separate amp.
In between I had an AntiMode audio processor that worked wonders.
Before the neighbors were complaining a lot. I assume it came from the standing waves in my room.
Not anymore after I used AntiMode.
You calibrate it first with a calibrating microphone. This will find the origin of the standing waves (and other stuff) in the room and these will be attenuated then.
Result is a good sound and no disturbing peaks.
It is from Finland and manufactured by DSPeaker.
I (and the neighbors) were very happy with it.
Too bad I cannot use it with an RS520 anymore.
Give it a try, you will be amazed.
There is no need to discard much better product (Rose vs. NAD) because of room correction. You can buy the UMIK microphone and use it with RAW sowtware and then copy settings manualy to the Rose EQ.
Except that this only gives you some, rather limited, EQ, not far more precise both-channels frequency and phase correction that a convolution filter would achieve.
Whether Rose is much better than a NAD is questionable and depends on the use case. Dirac in some of NAD products definitely could make it sound much better in a real room.
@BorisM - there’s so much for me to learn about phase correction and convolution filter, etc I moved my system to a smaller room and I’m still not happy with the speakers when I play my favorite songs (sounded great at the store haha)
I am driving sonus faber speakers with a relatively -small- McIntosh amp and that might be the root cause. McIntosh sells a $6K MEN220 room-correction box but too expensive for me. I’m going to explore other options @Burle and others have suggested.
I’m really not wanting to take the route of acoustic panels.
I’m getting used to the rose app though - phew
I’m sure the McIntosh box would be good, but you could probably achieve same (or possibly better, because of more control) results by using something like JRiver, Audirvana or Roon to apply a convolution filter before sending the signal to Rose. You could do it even with foobar2000 for free. Now, creating the convolution could be done either for free (apart from the price of a calibrated microphone) with something like REW, but that’s quite a bit of manual work, or using a commercial software (much easier). There are even services you could send your room measurements and they would generate filters for you.
I am using Roon with filters generated by Focus Fidelity (I have enough rooms to optimize that the price of the software made sense vs. time I would spend putzing with REW; for one room it may or may not be reasonable) and the results are quite good.
That said, if there are some glaring issues with the room, it would still make sense to at least somewhat mitigate them before doing correction. Not everything can be fixed by DSP, e.g. if you are getting standing wave nulls or peaks at your listening position, the only way to fix it is by moving stuff around (or adding bass traps etc., but those aren’t usually feasible at home).
I am using Roon that has also built in room correction but I would recommend an expert to do it as it is not one of the simplest things around
one option that I am trying to convince the folks at Trinnov to consider is using the Trinnov Nova for Home hifi use cases.
The Nova is meant for pro audio but might be able to work with our current 2.0 or 2.1 or 2.2 setups.
They sell a home audio product for 2 channel but it is somewhat outdated and very expensive. Then they sell for home theater applications which is even more expensive and still outdated.
I am trying to get an eval of the Nova to see how it performs with the rs130 either directly after the 130 or after the 130 and dac but before the amp.
this is still expensive (around $3.5K) but may be more advanced than the current options.