Of course there is snake oil . Even on Jays audio on YouTube the lampcord beat the Gryphon $20k speaker cable. But also GR research was able to pick his cable 8 out of 10 times in blind test in a YouTube test.
And I’m not saying spend 10k on a single speaker cable. But there’s nothing wrong with better cabling in proportion to the value of your system, like 10-20 percent. For instance, if your system is 100k, and you notice a discernable difference from 10k-20k worth of cables, it’s not a bad choice. A lot of people hear more upgrade from cables once their system synergy is set , it’s the last addition that can bring out the last few percentage make a good system to addictive .
Most good cable company and dealers will have money back guarantee, if you can’t hear an improvement, return it .
You may be right, because then money won’t be an issue anyway.
But where is humanity going???
We will never reach the high end, because there is no end. “Progress” will always continue and it is human nature to always be better, higher, faster, etc., but at what price???
If you then have to leave, everything was only borrowed anyway, because you can’t take it with you.
That’s why I recommend buying from brands like Lavricable, who offer same technologies at much lower costs. That’s what I plan on doing.
You’re right too, but also remember there are people can never afford even Hifi Rose entry level. These questions are very personal and no right answer for everyone.
Compared to guys spend millions on watches or jewelry, cars, gambling, etc. I think this hobby is very healthy and promote for good activities and society.
Instead of criticism of audiophile spending , should look at guy spending millions on wristwatch only tell time.
But a normal person for me also listens to music and would never buy such devices in this price range, or what we’re posting about here! Because there are more important things in life. But everyone has their hobbies and everyone can do what they want. But if your health is no longer up to it, then your Rose and Van den Hul are still useful to you.
You should try at least a cheap power cable like this from Amazon , only $40.00. You can still enjoy cable and cord hobby in affordable way. I found it makes a small difference.
Everyone has to decide for themselves what they spend on their hobby, the main thing is that family life doesn’t suffer as a result. Then come the illnesses that I mentioned. None for you, because you hear “better” with the cable, but your family gets sick because they might not approve of it and there are mental disorders.
You agree with the reviewers… there we have it again (psychology) now you have also bought the cable and confirm that it is so.
I come to you, you go into the garden and I take a normal one that comes with it (cable) and yours, which isn’t quite as expensive. Then I bring you in and play a song. Then you go back into the garden and I bring you in and play the song again. Then you should tell me where it sounded better.
This is called an A/B comparison because it is not influenced by the psyche and you don’t know where you spent $100. There are also coincidences in such tests that you “really guess” that it was the expensive cable. Therefore, in such tests, either several devices of the same type are used (but they can also be different), or in this case, several power cables (at least 3) so as not to falsify the test.
Of course, the test subject does not see the cables (logical).
Of course, this is a hobby and only after you and your family are financially secure should one purchase these items . A single man like Boris who is not financially mature should concentrate more on his career than power cords .
Well said @Bicycle
HiFi or playing music via HiFi system is a very personal thing. Couldn’t stand to someone who judges others from a so-called moral high ground and pretend to be the almighty.
As you said, audiophile is a healthy hobby. Hifi are not drugs. There are tons of expensive stuffs I couldn’t afford. I do envy but I’ll appreciate them but not criticizing them blindly.
I just play or pay what I can afford to a hobby I pursue. And sometimes speak out my likings and dislikings from my own experiences.
Even it is pyschological (surely I don’t think so), as long as I feel happy and having fun from it, it’s totally none of their business.
By no mean to raise another fight, I regard this forum a place to share our thoughts and experiences in audiophile. I leant a lot from reading posts here.
Anyone has the right to agree and disagree with others’ sharings. But no matter what, we should give respects and appreciations, NOT criticisms and ridicules.
Boris is just a person who imagines what a product may or may not do, but doesn’t have any actual ownership experience or knowledge in a controlled environment. It’s like arguing about the merits of a Porsche handling with someone who’s never driven one or owned one for a prolonged period of times. He’s just using his imagination.
Oh, right, Alpha Audio., People who listen to fuse burn-in and hear it!
I can understand when people like John Dumbo, Hans Buttheadzen, and other too ugly for OnlyFans, too lazy to get a real job clowns (Alpha Audio included) decide to prostitute themselves to cable peddlers. Money is good enough, they get new shiny toys to play with (as long as “reviews” are positive, of course!) and, well, somebody should work the brothels, too.
It’s when people who supposedly wasted their own money start telling the world that they haven’t comprehended even high-school level physics that it gets odd. Sure, it’s hard to admit that you’ve been had, or shafted, or as the case may be with some people right on this forum, cyber-shafted, but why compound it with an admission that you have no clue what you are talking about?!
Let me guess… you’ve seen “cable” and “audible difference” but haven’t actually read any of it. And rightly so, it got those nasty, totally unmusical formulas and graphs in it. Have you read it (and comprehended it, but let’s not get our hopes up too much) you would have seen that it does not say what you think it does.
That’s… about as impressive as boasting of being a ketchup supplier to McDonalds.
Then why don’t they do it? Oh… right, because what the paper shows quite well is that cables (granted, they were only looking at competently designed commercial grade cables, and at extreme lengths) have no effect on “musicality” “soundstaging” “blacker blacks” or any other nonsense clueless audiophools blather about.They just found slightly different (but quite linear) loss compared to their model.
This is about as convincing as a flat-earther going “aha! Don’t you know that the Earth isn’t really round? It’s a geoid! Gotcha!”
And here we get to the crux of the issue. Being both stupid and ignorant, and obviously knowing nothing about me (or audio, or electronics, or anything else) so the only way for @Bicycle to feel good about himself is to pretend that he’s richer, and has more expensive stuff. Which is likely not to be the case, but whatever.
I have, for the purposes of this forum, a 520 as well (not counting non-Rose equipment). But not being an infantile moron with double-digit IQ I have no interest on wasting time and money on something completely useless, like the 130.
Yawn. If you want to play these games, my underwear is likely to cost more than your cables. For that matter, I have some expensive cables (MIT, Analysis+, Kimber, and a bunch of others). I just got them for the only valid reason to pick up more expensive cables – they look good and color-match the walls.
This really isn’t the direction you want to go; for one, it only shows that you are not only stupid, but a stuck-up jackass as well, and for another you are likely to loose (those high-tech stock grants are very lucrative).
And in order to do that you have to understand what they are saying. Unless, of course, you believe that some clown like Hans Buttheadzen is an engineer
It would be, if there were any difference. Alas, unlike speakers (where you do have to pay a reasonable premium to get a better product) spending 20% of a $100K system on cables does not provide any meaningful difference, but does show that you are an ignoramus.
Uh huh. And then the low-IQ brigade starts telling you that you did not let those poor cables burn-in enough (recommended burn-in period always being just long enough to slightly exceed the return period under any realistic conditions).
The difference between someone spending good money on a Pathek (let’s say, but you can pick your favorite watch; Audemars Piguet are nice…) and a cable clown is that even the biggest Pathek fan would not run around claiming that a Pathek is better at time-keeping than an entry-level Casio for $20.
Or maybe we have a few boxes of expensive cables sitting in the storage… precisely because we’ve heard them, tried them, but still have some scruples that won’t let us sell them to someone dumb enough to buy them.
Do you really have to show just how ignorant and stupid you are in every message? Don’t you have an ambulance to chase, or whatever you can do with your lack of real education?
That’s exactly because you have no clue what a controlled test is (unlike people who had actually done them) that you think that your biased opinion is worth crap… Alas, no matter what your kindergarten teacher might have told you, not every snowflake is unique, and not every opinion is as valid as the other.
I used to do high-performance driving events (in German cars, of course, those do have distinguishing qualities that I prefer) when I was young enough to have time for that. I probably know more about Porsche dynamics, too.
Autosuggestion (Autosuggestion is the process by which a person trains their subconscious to believe in something. This is achieved through self-hypnosis or repeated self-affirmations and can be seen as a self-induced influence on the psyche)
Here is an excerpt from an electronics engineer at the University of Applied Sciences for Electrical Engineering
High-quality power cables… I just laugh about it…
I worked at the university with the most expensive equipment from Rohde&Schwarz, Wandel&Goltermann, Hewlett-Packard, Bruel&Kaer and others. And what kind of power cables do they have? They have completely ordinary standard cables and yet we still measure values with the devices powered by them that are at the physical limit…
without ground loops, without mains interference…
This whole cable discussion in the field of HIFI is simply pseudo-scientific gibberish from advertising psychologists who want to sell their goods and take money out of the customer’s pocket.
Actually, audiophile cables and conditioners developed from critical hospital and medical equipment for best performance . So you should study the history, better power delivery can be a huge advantage for sensitive equipment.
