The Chinese are gaining on HiFi Rose

#131

Welcome to the forum, @Grammophone. You raise a good point. I too like my RS130, but here’s a quote from the Eversolo forum regarding the T8 (and Eversolo in general) that I think points out the real difference between them and HiFi Rose:

“After all while Eversolo still suffers from some degree of rough edges in its overal software, one should really applaud Eversolo for their dilligence in providing software updates to remediate them .... There are few hardware providers in this industry that listen to, involve and provide their users with regular updates as often as Eversolo does ... They even actively invite (more experienced) users to beat cycles and early-release programs ...”

#132

@Tony22 Hi, I didn’t question Eversolo’s customer service, but I also didn’t say Rose’s was poor. For as many people as are dissatisfied with the product, there are just as many who are satisfied, and this applies to both Rose and Eversolo. A lot of times it depends on your expectations for a product. No one can be perfect, that’s for sure. There will always be pros and cons.

#134

I understand your frustration, as I understand all those people like us audio enthusiasts (and it seems there are many), who had to take their A6 gen2 to the repair shop because at a certain point, it no longer turned on. (Defective power supplies, it seems). Unfortunately, this is reality and it can happen to anyone. PS: I don’t use Apple, so it wouldn’t be useful for me to have it in my device.

#136

Hans Beekhuyzen has done a review of the Eversolo T8. The Eversolo T8 software which he demonstrates, is impressive. “Extremely versatile for equipment lovers”.

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#137

Nice review. Interesting it uses the AS318B crystals. Phase noise is about 20dB worse than the ones used in the RS130. Just an observation.

Also unfortunate that it seems it cannot accept supplied convolution files made from something like REW for more robust room correction.

#138

It probably does. I used to do it on the A8 with REW.

#139

@ROSEHAN @Tony22

Hi Tom, Just for better understanding. When people say they prefer Eversolo T8 over the HiFi Rose RS130. Is this because of:

  1. Better Sound Quality?
  2. Less User Interface bugs?
  3. More/Preferable User Interface features? ← if so, list the preferred features with brief summary.
  4. More intuitive User Interface? ← if so, please elaborate
    5.Quicker resolution updates complete with Update log? if so, please elaborate how bugs are reported/managed
  5. Lastly, do you miss anything the RS130 provides? if so, please elaborate.

Thank you in advance.

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#140

Hi @joyofmvid

Thanks for the note. To me, my system sounds better with the T8 than my previous RS130.

Why? You’ve already named many advantages of T8 in your question. But sorry, I don’t feel obligated to explain them in details.

One more note, I used to be a HiFi Rose fan. But as the title of this post says: The Chinese are gaining on.

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#141

I know you were a HiFi Rose fan. I’ll PM you.

#142

Joyofmvid,

First, I haven’t heard the T8 so I can’t comment about sound so #1 is out for me.

2 and 5 however, I’ve looked at fairly carefully. I know that Zidoo has a dedicated team of engineers who monitor their blog for any software suggestions and problems. They jump on those immediately. Rose doesn’t.

3 and 4 relate to user friendly and efficient coding. Rose is good at putting out stable software. It doesn’t crash. On the other hand, the release schedule is twenty times slower than Eversolo’s. Also, Rose’s programming is done as a programmer would do if he were just assigned one screen and had no idea what the rest of the program was doing or how his screen related to the rest of the program. That makes the decision tree an illogical mess. Eversolo software is cleanly designed with a music oriented user in mind. It flows logically from the point of view of a user who wants the fewest keystrokes to get where he wants to go.

Eversolo’s software is not as graphically impressive as Hi Fi Rose’s which gets an “A” in my book for visual impression. Eversolo’s screens are functional “plain Jane” but Eversolo’s software has many more options and capabilities than HiFi Rose.

HiFi Rose’s database expertise is not good. Even after last year’s improvement, Eversolo’s software runs rings around Hi Fi Rose in that area. For some reason HiFi Rose can’t design consistent searching, organizing and displaying tools for all its various databases. They are all over the place. We’ve been waiting literally years for the ability to directly identify albums and music, search, organize and replace, etc. the database contents. We’re still waiting.

Eversolo puts an emphasis on a user’s ability to modify screens to suit his preferences. You know that Rose has been extremely inflexible in that area.

All of the above said, I love my Rose equipment (I have four) and wouldn’t trade any one of them for an Eversolo T8.

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#143

Don’t let me be misunderstood. I am simply stating that in my home, with the same setup, I hear better sound from T8-to-RD160-to-RA180 than from RS130-to-RD160-to-RA180.

Our preferences, interconnects, accessories, environments, room acoustics, etc. are all different. Keep your Rose equipment as long as you like. Good for you.

By the way, T8 has two other features I like a lot besides EQ and room correction :

The first is called “Screen.” It can generate a screen on the mobile app that looks exactly like the T8 device—what you see is what you get (WYSIWYG). I can perform ALL the functions on my iPad just as I would on the physical T8 screen. It’s simple and intuitive. On the contrary, many functions of the RS130 are only operable on the device.

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Second, when streaming Tidal music, I can switch between different resolutions on the fly.

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I only have Tidal. I don’t know if the T8 provides similar features to Qobuz and/or other streaming services or not.

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#144

Tom T.

Good points.

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#145

This “screen” functionality is a thing I really want to see in HiFi Rose. That would allow to run native Apple Music App, which is a BIG missing feature for me…

#146

@TomT

  1. Is “Screen” function, the placement of the device’s front panel on your tablet?

  2. Is the screen activated/deactivated by pressing the pencil icon (ie the 2d rightmost icon on the top Screen line)?

  3. When screen is deactivated, does the display go back to the last display?

  4. On the screen, can I press any of the icons shown on the screen?

  5. BTW, what is the four-dot icon function (ie, the icon on the right of the pencil icon)?

  6. You said you liked “EQ and room correction”. ← I’m puzzled as to why a few community members request this. I believe,

    • Room Correction is a preamp/prepro function (not a source device function); reason: Room Correction applies to all source devices in your system and to properly do Room Correction, the function needs to manage any upmixing, manage individual speaker volume, and manage the bass crossover for each speaker to subwoofers . ← My Anthem AVM90 has an exceptional Room Correction function (it can correct the room for two scenerios: e.g., with the door open or close; or with only one person in the room or a group of people in the room, etc…

    • EQ is typically a DAC function (e.g., HiFi Rose’s RD160 DAC); reason, the DAC manages the final digital-to-analog processing/conversion ← EQ shows the analog outcome sent to the speakers (this outcome is after all the digital processing is completed including any upsampling/bass crossovers/audio-filtering functions, etc)

#147

I just bought an Eversolo t8 streamer and a Denafrips Pontus 15th DAC to replace my RS 520B…I’m not looking back…only slight concern is possible hassles for repair/warranty in the future if I need it

#148

I’m realy wondering, may I miss something, it looks @ROSEHAN + @ROSELOA did’t make any commont to that valuable post.

I would also like to remind @ROSEHAN + @ROSELOA regards of the commitments made in the HiFi Rose letter dated September 26th. Quoting directly from that letter:

Our Promise

HiFi Rose will continue to listen closely to the voices of our customers, uphold the commitments we make, and place customer satisfaction at the heart of everything we do.

We deeply appreciate your unwavering trust and support, and we look forward to rewarding you with even more advanced products and services.

Thank you.

At this point, it would be helpful to see this promise reflected not in words, but in action.

My 4th additional point would be 4. PQ and Room correction.

@ joyofmvid
please take in consideration there are users out there wich want to use the DAC (RS 151 etc.) just with an power aplifier. Therefore an PEQ + Room Correction would perfectly make sense. At least this is what othet DAc producers do with his DAC’s.

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#149

@Hans4711

We will continue to listen carefully to the voices of our customers. However, this does not mean that we are able to add or modify every feature that is requested.

If my previous post caused any misunderstanding, I sincerely apologize.

We genuinely understand and appreciate the desire for additional features, and in many cases, we would like to implement them as well. That said, some requests may not be feasible due to technical limitations, priority considerations, or differences from the design philosophy and direction we pursue for our products.

We kindly ask for your understanding that, for these reasons, certain features may not be added or may be deferred.

Thank you for your continued feedback and support.

#150

Rosehan,

It would be very helpful to your user base if HiFi Rose were to let them know what to expect in terms of modifications and updates. This applies to both what to expect and when. For example, if the new normal for updates is once a year then please let us know.
If it is not technically feasible to add Spotify Connect (which has been known for a long, long time) then please don’t say “we’re working on it”. Give us a list and priorities. I know that will change from time to time but users will understand. More communication is better than less and miscommunication is the worst.

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#151

In other words ´´ Don’t tell me what, when and should do ´´ Guys you have to understand that THEY drive the car and you are passengers. Either you sit and behave or get out and walk … hahahaha!

#152

i deleted my own post