Using internal HD lowers sound quality

#9

If you meant me, I am using the DAC built into the RS150b—nothing external. The difference is so obvious that it simply cannot be ignored. I didn’t comment on this earlier, as I was waiting for messages from other users, and now they are starting to come in.

This is precisely why the topic of organizing albums and scanning data doesn’t exist for me. I simply don’t use the internal storage because it doesn’t play audio files with the proper quality.

Here’s a small example: take your favorite album and listen to it on Qobuz. Then purchase it there, download it, and save it to the internal storage. Listen to it and compare it with streaming (fortunately, Rose has the ability to switch instantly). At best, you won’t hear a difference.

Then, play the same tracks via DLNA, and you’ll hear the difference immediately. It’s not as stark as night and day, but it’s noticeable. I describe this effect as greater sound depth.

#10

This is very logical and happens INSIDE the Rose, mainly issue with internal power.
I noticed the same with Rose 250. Hoped that it would be ideal solution, but very soon realised it deteriored the sound. Also putting the Rose screen to maximum affects sound.
So it is not an opinion, mainly case of reception. I have a proper system with BelCanto 3.5 DAC, Gol, 2x Mac 275s, Mac 2300, YG Sonjas, power conditioning, Transparent cables. Tuning this set is my hobby and the reception is something that cannot be measured… Pls dont start endless debate on this… I know my system and what I hear.

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#11

VIK, I have RS 250A and external DAC, so maybe I have a different story. But, in digital form, all version of songs are the same sample to sample. So, if it sounds differently there must be some influence of internal hard drive on your internal DAC. I suggest, as a measure of troubleshooting - connect to any external DAC and try to compare again. Do you hear any difference beteen internal HDD and USB connected HDD?

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#12

The USB with Rose 250 lowered SQ as well. For some reason in Rose 130 it is pretty much better.
I know what I hear.

#13

I must admit, I haven’t tried this type of connection yet. It’s a good idea. I’ll try to test it. Thank you.

#14

Hello @VIK,

I must have expressed myself (or the translator) incorrectly.

The volume (without measuring it, like you, it is not louder) is somehow more detailed in the mid and high tones…I hear small effects that the same track does not have as prominently on my built-in SSD, although I can hear them too.

How can I say it now:

since I prefer a “warm” sound, I would say…a little more detailed, which makes it seem as if the stage is a little more open (spatial). Bass is also, well, a little more.
So more dynamic (that’s what I meant by volume)

An analogue person would say: You can hear straight away that it is digital.

But it’s great. I can continue to edit my music on my Mac and no longer need to send it via smb (1000 songs take a long time to transfer (MB WiFi 6E & Router WiFi 6 then LAN cable to Rose) to the internal Rose SSD). Now everything is faster, including the editing. Of course I did everything on the Macbook and sent the finished files to Rose SSD. But when I edited a track on the Rose SSD directly, I noticed how slow it was compared to my MB M3pro. It’s probably because the outdated SMB interface is just too slow.

Now everything is gone and I just need to :ear:t2: listen via Rose.

Why does it sound different?

Only digital data is sent to the Rose DA converter via the network and the same signals are also on my Rose SSD.

Do they possibly still work with filters… no, total nonsense, it’s just digital data.

But why does it really sound a little different (better)???

I have to keep looking and reading to understand it.

:wink: If you hadn’t been able to tell me that earlier, I wouldn’t have bought an SSD for Rose. It’s now my backup disk in the Rose in case I copy anything onto it again.

My music is on an external SSD on my Macbook.

:v:t2:

#15

KaiE,

There could be a difference if it is affecting internal DAC, but on external DAC there is not possible to be a described difference. It is not possible to have difference in depth or in the frequency balance because is not posible to alter digital data in that way. If there is a problem with a digital stream then there will be pops, clicks and dropouts. Of, course, I am talking about case were the Rose in not a clock source.

#16

I did the test: the sound is actually better with an Ssd connected in USB rather than with the Ssd internally

#17

I second that. I have RS130 with 10TB of files in the external HDD connected via RSA 720. I transferred 4TB of files to the internal SSD in my RS130, hoping for the better sound quality. However, I found that I like the sound better when I play with the external HDD.

#18

Thanks for confirmation guys and colleagues. I noticed that already with Rose 250 and expected that improved with 130. Not happened. Possibly something to do with internal power handling. Sad while it would be a nice option. HD tracks via USB are remarkably good. Also dimmering the screen improves SQ. Even dimmering the iPads screen seems to do so…. Im nowadays using
Transparent power cables and Hdra 8 power conditioning. Helps a lot. Small weight like Rose CD on top seems to make a bit more solid sound… yes, I test every gadged unorthodoxically…

#19

Same here, but with HDD 14TB files :wink:

#20

Realised that the internal Samsung HD was not trad hard drive, it is a pile of memory blocks that use the processors power and computing. Maybe that is the reason usb is better. Im now finding a case and adaptor to change it to ”USB” drive, let us see how it changes SQ.

#21

Amazing, the lengths people with no clue whatsoever will go through to convince themselves that pixie dust and unicorn piss makes audible difference…

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#22

Have you at least tried? Obviously Not!!

#23

Rubbish! Dear sir. I opened this theme. You followed.

#24

We did the test With 2 people

Listen to songs on Qobuz and Ssd (buired on Qobuz in the same format)

Listening with another streamer with aligned levels: no differences in streaming and perceived differences on songs with the respective SSDs

Listen with the same songs on an external Ssd: no difference with streaming or with the Ssd of the other device

The devices were connected in Xlr on the amp, the songs launched at the same time (I specify again: level aligned) and we could go from one to the other on the fly

#25

Everyone, stay peaceful…some people hear it this way and others hear no difference.

But @Boris’ comparisons were still awesome. :rofl: :joy: :sweat_smile:

Boris is just trying to bring you back down to earth.

#26

Typical audio pissing contest… Im out, continue how long you like. The internal HD in Rose sucks.

#27

Also great, the absolute burner… :joy: :rofl: :clap:t2: :+1:t2:

#28

Exactly !!! Unfortunately, it’s the truth