What do you think 
On paper… looks good, but more expensive.
$5K vs $3.6K
On a plus… AKM DAC for those who don’t like ESS
BT 5.0 which beats 4.2 hands down.
(But at this price would like to have seen 5.4 although the MD-1P isn’t new)
Its got 300wpc @ 8ohms but they don’t say which Class D they are using.
Also a second channel of speakers … If you want to bi amp.
Matrix does have a good rep.
Would be nice to see a head to head review but yes… definitely a competitor.
Yes, a comparison would be good.
It wouldn’t be the right device for me. Unfortunately, it doesn’t have room correction like my TDAI 3400.
But it does have two subwoofer outputs and two pairs of speaker outputs.
If I want, I can control five subwoofers. Each input and output can be individually configured to determine its intended use. I also miss having a digital subwoofer output, like on my 3400.
Bluetooth and Wi-Fi wouldn’t matter to me. With a device like this, and other devices as well, I would always use LAN directly anyway.
Everything that can be connected via LAN is connected via LAN to utilize the full bandwidth or speed of my internet contract.
Must be a fun life, being so stupid…
They are using a “class D” class D. This one looks like a better made one though.
Well that TDAI 3400 is a class above in terms of feature sets. The mid tier model would be more of a direct competitor, although at a higher price point. And the room correction is a nice feature.
Right now I’ve run a 50’ CAT 8 cable from my switch to my RS520 which sits on the opposite wall.
(I had one sitting around) I use BT because w airplay you can get a bit of a lag when watching videos or when on conference calls where the delay can cause echoes. I prefer using the MB20 and BT5.0 over the BT 4.2. The only drawback… even if there’s no BT playing, there is still a signal and the Rose things its still active. (The sound is actually better than using Rose’s BT)
The remote is a bit of a pain… like trying to control the volume where it continues to rise even after you stop. (The app is actually nice way to control the unit.)
I use a REL so its the normal speaker line out. Its a small room so the T5X is more than enough.
On the 520 you can use the line out for subs… and control 2 that way.
Its a question of trade offs.
There are a lot of good options out there… I’d say Eversolo Play vs RS520? RS520
Lyngdorf TDAI 2200 or 3400 vs RS520? The Lyngdorf, depending on price of the units.
(Like I said… I got a really good deal on my slightly used unit.)
Ah yes… Boris who clearly doesn’t know the difference in BT5.4 and while being backwards compatible to 4.2, the limitations of BT 4.2
And then the issue w Class D. Boris apparently thinks all Class D amps sound the same and perform the same.
Must be nice having a tin ear Boris… that way you can buy a $90.00 chi-fi amp and not care about the sound quality.
Just because you have no idea what Bluetooth is, and how audio is sent over it, does not mean that other people are as clueless as you are. Really, it would be hard to find many folks quite as dumb as Mikey the Moron.
No. For example Rose’s GaN jobs are mediocre, while e.g. Purify makes some really good ones.
Beats having a tin brain, or, as in your case, no brain at all. Of course given what you use for speakers and “subs” you have no ears either.
First of all, thank you for your reply. You typed a lot, hats off to you!
I also had the 520 and a subwoofer connected to the Rose, and my Rose was, and still is, fantastic for me.
But I always tweaked the subwoofer settings too much to find the right balance for me. It’s definitely better to have a dedicated LFE channel. The TDAI, in particular, with its crossovers, handles the subwoofers wonderfully. Especially with the various filters, like three Linkwitz-Riley filters and three Butterworth filters.
If you’re still not satisfied, there are also voicings (which you can customize or create yourself) and PEQs (which you can also customize or create yourself, with eight adjustable filters, and you can select the filter type and frequency…). See the pictures.
Then there are the speaker distances to the hotspot, which you can experiment with (but you shouldn’t; you should measure them precisely). The same applies to the subwoofers.
Then there are the speaker distances to the hotspot, which you can play around with (but you shouldn’t). TDAI is simply an absolute egg-laying jack of all trades, and once you have it, you won’t want to be without it.
Oh absolutely.
But what’s the price?
The Lyngdorf is an excellent unit. But it would be 2x-3x the price of the RS520. (Or more)
To be honest, I’d be reluctant to do that much tweaking… the issue is that you get it perfect for one song or genre and then play something different and you need to tweak again.
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Good, but it wouldn’t have enough power for me. I don’t listen to loud music, but I like having some headroom.
My old but very good subwoofer is a Canton Sub 1200 R.
Frequency range 18 to 200 Hz and (500/750 watts) in piano black. Closed box, down-firing driver 
like your REL T/5x.
My second subwoofer is an SVS PB 2000 Pro.
16 – 290 Hz +/- 3 dB (standard mode), 17 – 290 Hz +/- 3 dB (closed)
550 watts RMS continuous power (1500 watts peak)
I can control it better via the app.
It’s nothing fancy, and I don’t mean to brag. There’s always room for improvement, but I’m perfectly happy with it.
As predicted, even more fantastic now with the 3400.
I’m a dedicated 2.2 listener. No home theater, just pure stereo…ah, that’s not quite right! I listen to pseudo-quadraphony because I heard it as a little boy at my father’s house in the late 1970s. But that’s a different story…
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In Germany
With both modules: €7,099
Without modules: €5,799
Oh yeah. The Rel T5X was a bit of an impulse buy because I needed one and its a small room. I wasn’t suggesting it for you. (Also its a fast sub… ) Depending on the room, budget … your choices would be different.
Surprisingly though the T5X does a really good job and you can hear it in the other rooms in our condo.
It just doesn’t really go down deep, but deep enough to round out the music.
The SVS aren’t bad but it would depend on the speakers you’re pairing them with.
There are lots of different Subs out there. The Rel would be like buying Kef R3 Metas and calling it a day.
Yeah I remember when quadraphony first came out. But yeah a 2.2 system if done right can be a killer.
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Yeah 7K vs 2K Euros
Or the 5.8K … close to 3X the price.
I wasn’t impressed w the Lyngdorf speakers. There are a lot of options depending on what you want and what size room you want to fill.
The price is probably the one reason why you wouldn’t consider the TDAI a competitor. Two different classes. Its still a great unit, if you can or want to afford it. Just as the Rose is…
No, it’s child’s play, even for me as a non-nerd.
You can create your own voicings or use the ones provided.
You create PQQs for your system. Then you have everything on the main settings page in the app, on the device itself, or with the remote.
You then simply set your voicings, for example, for rock, and adjust the balance (
no, RoomRefect does that), but of course, you can still adjust the balance manually, unlike on the 520. You also adjust your treble and bass as usual. Even there, you can set a crossover frequency at which the treble or bass is attenuated or boosted. So, a rough setting (see picture).
I use Roon, for example, and I don’t have Muse activated in Roon. The 3400 handles everything.
What do I think? I would say that using the community forums for HiFi Rose to highlight a competitor is an inappropriate use of the forum for which they pay. This isn’t Audiogon forum or Audiocircle or…
It is but it isn’t.
There are times that I have to change the setting on my Rel because of the specific song. Versus just listening. (Being lazy and wanting to just listen and chill)
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Carnelian,
Fair point. It shouldn’t be used just to advertise competitors’ products.
However, I feel there are two circumstances where it’s appropriate.
One is to point out that HiFi Rose is lagging in its progression compared to competitors, particularly with Chi/Fi. The point is to warn HiFi Rose that ChiFi is gaining on them.
The second is to refute the “it’s hard” which is the common refrain
when features routinely provided by competitors can’t/won’t be implemented.
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Hmm, that was my problem too. Those are the so-called room modes. I had the same issue when I still had the Rose and the sub was only connected via the pre-out. Either you use Roon and create some PEQs yourself, or you ask @BorisM; he really knows a lot about this stuff and about completely different things that neither of us knows anything about!
I always heard the bass “booming” in another room. After integrating the two subs into the TDAI 3400 and after room correction with RoomPerfect, I now only hear faint midrange and treble in the room where it always “boomed.” My neighbors have already asked me if I’ve stopped having a “disco.”
So RoomPerfect is great, and I only use a small part of the 3400 because I usually leave everything else set to its default (I always call it the linear setting). Of course, I only ran RoomPerfect. You can also listen in Bypass (without Room Precision) or Global mode. Global is the room calibration. I always listen in Focus mode (Focus is the first measurement in Room Precision, where your listening position—the sweet spot—is measured). I don’t even use voicings, although the PEQ Music 1 is really great. It makes voices so beautifully smooth…as I said, you can do everything with the TDAI.
You can adjust your TV audio to it and, of course, create your own custom voicings. Adjusting the volume and using the preset TV voicings is really great. The sound on Apple TV is incredibly rich with movies in Dolby Vision/Dolby Atmos. It’s not Atmos, of course, but what the TDAI produces is pretty good for two-channel audio.
Well, as I said, you can do everything. Rename and configure every input and output however you want…
That’s exactly the point. I’m trying to give Rose a boost so they don’t fall further behind in the fiercely competitive hi-fi market.
Many people here have mentioned important things like room correction, which WiiM or EverSolo offer. I only mentioned RoomPerfect and Lyngdorf because it’s even cooler than Dirac Life and the like.
In the hi-fi market, it is said to be the best room calibration currently available in the commercial sector.
Of course, this is about Rose. I also wanted to get an EverSolo for my second system. But I’m waiting until Rose has their software sorted out. Once they do, I’ll buy another Rose. I was happy with my 520 and have posted about it here often enough. My 520 sounded like it did on day one. No hardware errors, so it’s all good, just the software… no balance, no proper sub output…
But for the price, it’s a great device, and if the Rose had as many features as the Lyngdorf, it would definitely be more expensive.
Besides, the guys shouldn’t get so worked up. How often are there posts here about SFP modules, gold fuses, and other things? Then I can post a little encouragement for Rose. 
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Sure, because it’s a (crappy) speaker, and you don’t need all that much. If you wanted to use it as a subwoofer, of course, it would just shake itself to pieces without producing any sound.
LOL. Except that they are not low-passed (neither are speakers high-passed). And you get left and right on line outs. Not that Mikey the Moron would know why this is inferior to what even a Wiim can do, let alone some high-end piece of equipment like Lyngdorf.
Oooh, does it play 20Hz signal at 50Hz? Oh, wait, it weould explode if it even tried to do 20Hz.
In a sense that REL would have even less bass than R3s, maybe.