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Yeah… decent alternatives… but some tradeoffs.
Note that both are more expensive than the RS520.
I saw a YT review of the SA45 and I own a Solo Uno… Arcam does have their quirks.
And saw the Lyngdorf TDAI-2210 at AXPONA.
The SA45 is ‘Class G’ but not as powerful as the RS520. (Still probably enough power to drive anything)
Also IIRC it doesn’t have wi-fi. But does have BT 5.4.
The Lyngdorf has what some say is the best room correction in the industry, but in terms of power… IIRC its a Purifi amp w less power than the RS520.
Its a good unit.
Both seem to be good units… but again tradeoffs. I’d take the Lyngdorf over the Arcam… because of the room correction and the expansion slot. (But I am happy w the RS520 )
Another choice… the Atoll AIOs
I think most manufacturers make an AIO.
If I had to do this again… an option would be the RS451 w Orchard Audio Monoblocks. Or the Eversolo A10 w OA mono blocks. ( Or do a custom OA plate amp instead.)
Hmmm
does anyone know which specific DAC chip lies at the heart of the Arcam SA45?
The official specs mention “ESS Hyperstream iV DAC topology in a balanced configuration,” but they don’t specify the exact model (e.g., ES9039, ES9038, etc.).
Hi guys, thanks for your replies.
I only posted this here because many people are considering switching away from HiFi Rose or have already done so. The reasons (poor software, etc.) are numerous and can be found in the forum.
I used to own the RS 520 and have been able to see and hear it again for a few weeks now, and share my experiences with a very good friend (who lives just 2 km away) who bought a 520 almost two months ago. He had auditioned the unit at my place back then (at the end of 2024) and was thrilled.
After my Rose, I switched to the Lyngdorf TDAI 3400. I had always been drawn to Lyngdorf, but unfortunately, it was never in my price range. Also, my family wasn’t on board.
The biggest factor in my finally buying the 3400 was @BorisM here in the Rose forum. For me, the man is competent and really understands a lot about hi-fi and especially other things that very few people here (myself included) know anything about.
He’s direct, yes, but don’t always be so hard on him; he’s helped many people here and tried to open their eyes to things like SFP, fiber optics, gold fuses that need to be burned in, etc.
But I want to stick with Rose and hi-fi.
I posted a lot with Boris privately and kept asking him how I could get my difficult room somewhat under control. I also said that I didn’t want to deal with RWE and all that room correction stuff because I’d never really looked into it. Since I use Roon and you can also have filters created (you measure your room and have filters created by special providers) that you integrate into Roon… ask Boris, he can tell you a lot about it… which was also too complex for me, I only set a few PEQs in Roon and the 520 already sounded somewhat better in my room.
Of course, I wasn’t satisfied with that, like most people here who are always chasing after “better” stuff, I wanted something a bit simpler than RWE and the like.
Boris gave me a lot of tips and said, if you have the money, buy a Lyngdorf. It’s a jack-of-all-trades… amplifier with crossover and voicings, all configurable, and you can even create your own voicings. Create your own PEQs, etc.
Of course, Rose offers a lot, but I always missed room correction and speaker balancing.
I read a lot here and I’m curious when the standard features (for me) will finally work with Rose. Lyngdorf released an update for Qobuz Connect in May, and it’s been working perfectly ever since, unlike Rose, where they had to disable daylight saving time and it took ages for Qobuz Connect to run stably.
Well, no device is perfect!
The Lyngdorf with RoomPerfect has my room under control, and I can honestly say that the music sounds better in my room thanks to the room calibration.
So don’t keep buying expensive cables or other gadgets just to imagine it sounds better.
The most important things for me are still:
The speakers in combination with a good amplifier, all-in-one amplifier, or streaming amplifier.
Good room calibration.
…then you can still “spend money” on expensive cables or external clocks, etc.
PS:
And let’s all try to stay peaceful with each other. There’s already enough crap going on in the world.
So don’t keep buying expensive cables or other gadgets just to convince yourself it sounds better. Enjoy your music and don’t always chase after the big picture, because we’ll never reach it.
Cheers, Bonte 
Aaand… you’re wrong again. TDAI is Lyngdorf’s own amplification. Not quite as good as Purify, but still good enough (and better than GaNFET toys). In most real-world applications, not having to do bass (because Lyngdorf lives in the 21st century and knows what proper bass management is) it’ll do better than the 520. Even more so with RoomPerfect properly calibrated.
Or you could get a real amplifier…
Would you actually hear any difference between any of them?
Which does what exactly for home HiFI?
Sorry Boris… What I read about Purifi was in the MXA-8400 which does use Purifi amp cards.
As to BT 5.4 which is the latest updated spec is lossless audio.
Its now the standard in all of the latest gear being shipped.
And only you wouldn’t hear a difference between DAC chips.
Yup, entirely different thing.
Funny how the real Bluetooth spec doesn’t know anything about it. Oh, wait, neither do you!
Sure, LDAC or similar codecs can move lossless audio, sometimes, and up to certain limits, but those are proprietary and have nothing at all to do with 5.4. Not that anyone should be surprised that you are confidently peddling nonsense.
Suuure. Your pal standardmoron can even hear the subtleties of his DAC after running its output through not one but two ADC/DAC cycles. As for normal, sane people with IQ above double-digits, nobody will hear the difference between 9038, 9039, or even older models.
As usual Boris you’re not making any sense.
BT 5.4 is the latest spec. Its also the latest version being shipped w new audio products.
If you look at the RS451 that is what version of BT that is being shipped.
Of course anything that you haven’t been told by a used car ^H^H^H^H^H hifi snake oil salesman goes right over your head.
Once more, for the mentally challenged among us – BT 5.4 is completely orthogonal to “lossless audio.”
And 451’s spec indicate that it only supports the ancient aptX codec (not even aptx HD, which isn’t lossless either).
Yeah, sure, it’s said that once again you’ve been swindled and sold a crappy $300 BT dongle by iFi but that’s not a reason to keep coming here and demonstrating that no matter what the topic you have no clue about it.
Can you hear the difference?
And again Boris you have no clue as to what you’re talking about.
Troll boy
Nobody can.
You have great skills at projection, but that can’t hide the fact that you have no idea how (among many other things) audio is sent over BT.
Sorry to tell you, but your iFooFoo does not give you any lossless audio over BT. Neither will the RS-451 (which uses quite obsolete BT setup anyway). Nor a different dongle. That you keep arguing things that go so far over your head that you’d need a telescope to see them is just another proof of your lack of both education (well, you are an American, so no surprise there really) and intelligence.
Boris, please stop being a troll.
You’ll end up getting yourself banned.
And yes, you can hear the subtle differences between DAC chips and DACs.
But its not apparent in casual listening. The DAC does change the sound. Only an idiot wouldn’t know this.
And also different amps have different impact on the sound you hear as well.
Of course if you have a tin ear… you can’t. Which again makes me wonder why you’re here other than to be a troll?
And yes tin ears are a thing. My brother in law has a tin ear.
Yeah, proper audiofools like you or standardmoron can even hear power cords, fuses, and subtle differences odf a DAC after running it through a few A/D and D/A conversions. Alas, those differences are equivalent to virtual particles appearing and disappearing from vacuum that is inside your skulls.
Of course. If you have a bad amp, it might have quite an impact. Don’t get a bad amp.
That’s sad, but much better than having a tin brain like you do…
Go play with your lossless BT. Or with yourself. Anything would be better than you trying to talk about audio. You’re exactly like someone talking about proper etiquette with a huge wet spot on your pants in front, and a big brown one in the back.
€12,000 for better sound?
Perfect for audiophiles.
What did the audiophiles do in front of the device to hear its one million speakers?
Were they being ripped off?
A comment… Please read the comments. 
Oh, if you then use Telos together with Schnerzinger, then three suns must rise! That’s what an honest dealer from Berlin says. He even managed to transform a €400,000 system, which otherwise only had mediocre sound, into a tenfold improvement using only Schnerzinger. 
I’ll have to ask the Easter Bunny what he thinks about this.
Serves you idiots right.
Who buys a system for only 400,000?
It can’t possibly sound good.
Not sure why @Bonte brought this up… sounds like a perfect device for Boris who will promptly send it off to Amir for testing.
The topic here is to look at alternatives to the RS520… which is a serious topic.
Eversolo has been gaining traction on Rose because they are building a better mousetrap.
The sad thing is that there are a lot of positives w the Rose (Although Boris will claim otherwise) and by calling out the other options… this should serve as a wake up call to Rose.
The thread on calling out Rose as a ‘pet project’ seems to have merit if Rose isn’t going to spend the time and money to improve their current products.
Smegel,
Yes, there are a lot of positives to the HiFi Rose products. I have four. Two 520s an RS 130 and an RD 160. I like them a lot. I’ve even, after three hard years, learned to navigate the software trainwreck of a decision tree. Nevertheless, we all want HiFi Rose to succeed.
Eversolo is an alarm clock going off telling HiFi Rose to get its act together, bring the software in house and treat its users like an asset instead of irritating mosquito bites to be ignored. Eversolo was just an imitator with lower performing products. Now it’s going head to head with HiFi Rose specifications at one third the price.
StandardModel
Yes, exactly!
This is about the 520, not gold fuses, SFP modules, or network clocks.
And yes, it’s an alternative way to make your 520 sound better. 
I thought that since many audiophiles spend their money on “things” to make their Rose sound even “better,” my post would be valuable.
What’s 12K compared to that…it’s pocket change.
I got myself the “gem” and also received a singing bowl and a green felt-tip pen with it.
The new pen has nothing to do with the cheap CD felt-tip pens. The new one makes SACDs sound even more galactic.
Even the angels playing their harps by moonlight are envious of the singing bowl, gold fuse, and 12K flashlight…
Guys!
Start focusing on your true passion: enjoying the music.
You all have (from what I’ve read)
fantastic, absolutely fantastic equipment…start enjoying the music and think about people who can’t afford the kind of equipment you all have at home.
