Comparison with the RS 520

#14

Boris, please stop being a troll.
You’ll end up getting yourself banned.

And yes, you can hear the subtle differences between DAC chips and DACs.
But its not apparent in casual listening. The DAC does change the sound. Only an idiot wouldn’t know this.

And also different amps have different impact on the sound you hear as well.

Of course if you have a tin ear… you can’t. Which again makes me wonder why you’re here other than to be a troll?

And yes tin ears are a thing. My brother in law has a tin ear.

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#16

€12,000 for better sound?

Perfect for audiophiles.

What did the audiophiles do in front of the device to hear its one million speakers?

Were they being ripped off?

A comment… Please read the comments. :+1:t2:

Oh, if you then use Telos together with Schnerzinger, then three suns must rise! That’s what an honest dealer from Berlin says. He even managed to transform a €400,000 system, which otherwise only had mediocre sound, into a tenfold improvement using only Schnerzinger. :joy::joy::joy::joy::joy: I’ll have to ask the Easter Bunny what he thinks about this. :joy::joy::joy:

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#18

Not sure why @Bonte brought this up… sounds like a perfect device for Boris who will promptly send it off to Amir for testing.

The topic here is to look at alternatives to the RS520… which is a serious topic.

Eversolo has been gaining traction on Rose because they are building a better mousetrap.

The sad thing is that there are a lot of positives w the Rose (Although Boris will claim otherwise) and by calling out the other options… this should serve as a wake up call to Rose.

The thread on calling out Rose as a ‘pet project’ seems to have merit if Rose isn’t going to spend the time and money to improve their current products.

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#19

Smegel,

Yes, there are a lot of positives to the HiFi Rose products. I have four. Two 520s an RS 130 and an RD 160. I like them a lot. I’ve even, after three hard years, learned to navigate the software trainwreck of a decision tree. Nevertheless, we all want HiFi Rose to succeed.

Eversolo is an alarm clock going off telling HiFi Rose to get its act together, bring the software in house and treat its users like an asset instead of irritating mosquito bites to be ignored. Eversolo was just an imitator with lower performing products. Now it’s going head to head with HiFi Rose specifications at one third the price.

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#20

Yes, exactly!

This is about the 520, not gold fuses, SFP modules, or network clocks.

And yes, it’s an alternative way to make your 520 sound better. :man_facepalming:t2:

I thought that since many audiophiles spend their money on “things” to make their Rose sound even “better,” my post would be valuable.

What’s 12K compared to that…it’s pocket change.

I got myself the “gem” and also received a singing bowl and a green felt-tip pen with it.

The new pen has nothing to do with the cheap CD felt-tip pens. The new one makes SACDs sound even more galactic.

Even the angels playing their harps by moonlight are envious of the singing bowl, gold fuse, and 12K flashlight…

Guys!

Start focusing on your true passion: enjoying the music.

You all have (from what I’ve read)

fantastic, absolutely fantastic equipment…start enjoying the music and think about people who can’t afford the kind of equipment you all have at home.

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#21

Says the guy who doesn’t even understand that he’s not listening to his RD160 at all…

EverSolo products have smaller screens, and cost less. They perform identically.

#22

If you believe that Boris… sell any Rose gear you have, go buy an eversolo and make everyone happy.

Eversolo doesn’t offer GaN.
In their latest top end DAC they switched from ESS to AKM. Of course in your world, there’s no difference although some audiophiles prefer the AKM to ESS …

#23

Yes, we all know already that you are not particularly bright.

Why would I sell my Roses, at a loss, and buy something that sounds basically the same, when for my (Roon) use case Rose works just fine?

You keep repeating this word, as if you knew what it meant. You don’t. GaN offers no advantage (other then easily selling them to clueless audiophilth like you) at any power levels anything Rose makes delivers.

GaNs are pretty good for phone chargers though. Maybe you should listen to one.

“Some audiophiles” also think there is a difference between power cables, buy $1000 USB connectors, and, as we have one right here, sing praises to mediocre DACs like the 160 even though the only thing they hear is the MiniDSP DAC (and after few more conversions before that). Yeah, that’s a very convincing argument you got there!

And, you do realize, that e.g. Nova Fidelity has been making streamers with big screens up front (some even with built-in CD drives for ripping) long before HiFi Rose, or EverSolo ever existed.In Korea, too. If anything, EverSolo is imitating them. Just like HiFi Rose does. Although the former two, unlike the latter, and least could develop working software.

#24

Boris, trolling as usual?

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#26

Again Boris, you add no real value.

You don’t know much about anything.

Just what you parrot from Amir and his crew.

Do you even own any Rose products?

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#28

Typical Boris can’t stay on topic and most likely doesn’t own any Rose kit.

Please go away if you can’t add anything to the discussion.

#29

For those who own the 520… the GaN amp is a huge advantage over other class D options.
Purifi based amps are also up there but the TI based amps… fail to compare.

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#31

GaNFETs have some advantages, as they can withstand high temperatures and their modulation frequency is in the hundreds of thousands to millions of hertz range, far above what can affect audio. However, modern silicon FETs already do a pretty good job. Bruno Putzeys, who designs some of the best Class-D amplifiers, says that GaNFETs make sense when you need more than a kilowatt of power, where high-voltage silicon overheats and has a much slower modulation. At lower power levels, GaNFETs offer only trivial advantages at their price, where improving feedback is more beneficial.

https://hometheaterhifi.com/30th-anniversary/the-now/life-on-the-edge-a-personal-perspective-on-the-past-present-and-future-of-class-d-audio-amplifiers/

@BorisM actually confirms the statements made by “master” Bruno Putzeys.

#32

You have Purifi (Bruno) designing his stuff which is good. Marantz modified his design in their latest series… however the higher frequency of the GaN makes it quieter or ‘darker’ so to speak.

Not to mention also fairly efficient. So they can run cooler.

RS520 is less 1w in standby ~40w in idle. which isn’t bad.

And no GaN doesn’t make sense when you need more than 1kW it makes sense at far lower power levels.

Also what you seemed to miss. At the price … the RS520 provides more power than the alternative AIOs.
More than twice the power.

Of course for Boris… he’ll choose his Chi-Fi TDA amp w the brick since all amps sound the same.

#33

Yeah Eversolo seems to have Rose in their sights.

The interesting thing is that for Rose it seems that the international markets are an afterthought and they’ve focused on their Korean markets. I get that.

So while we may view the flow of their menu system to be awkward… they may not. It may make sense culturally. But at the same time… once you get to using it… you adapt.

I like the fact that the RS280 and the RS520 share the same amp.
And if you look at the RS451 you can pair it w the RS280 but that seems like you’re getting the RS520 albeit in two chassis and some other differences.

Now I doubt Boris actually owns any Rose products.

#34

Smegel,

I looked up Citech’s annual report and sales for 2023. They were: (Korea) 16%, and overseas sales 84%. I don’t know what percentages of those were HiFi Rose products.
The sales of HiFi Rose were too small a division to be separately broken out and Citech’s total sales were only about Forty million dollars. It’s a very small company and HiFi Rose is a small part of it. I have no idea whether it’s a good profitable subsidiary business for Citech or not. I hope so. I want them to succeed. I now understand why software development has to be subcontracted.

Considering the limited resources that they have, it’s remarkable how well they have done. Still, it would help a great deal to be more honest and direct in communicating with their customers. To string along customers by saying “we’re working on it” for Qobuz Direct and Spotify Direct wasn’t being fair with customers. I think users would have appreciated a more honest answer of “You are not going to get direct play from Qobuz or Spotify. We are going to sell a separate box for that.” While a disappointment for all existing users, it would have been more honest and fair.

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