Your move HIFI Rose. Looks like Eversolo is really stepping up their lineup.
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Why are you posting this on what is supposed to be primarily a HiFi Rose support forum? Go to Audiogon or somewhere.
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I think its to call out a shot across Rose’s bow.
If you go off a checklist Eversolo wins.
If you go by listening… Rose has the edge.
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In my country, on one of the closed forums, there’s an offer for sale of a top-of-the-line Ever Solo streamer, about 15 months old, still under warranty. The price for this device is around $2,200, compared to a new one costing around $4,200. See what a loss you’re making by buying an Ever Solo, and so far, there are no takers.
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Hi…in which country are you?
That’s right, Mike! That’s what I meant by “reading between the lines.”
Correct!
According to the Hi-Fi statistics (sales figures reported by retailers), it is official.
Opinions differ on that.
You’re basing your view on your 520. Buyers of the ES base theirs on their own device.
And please—no technical mumbo-jumbo now. People who buy an RCA cable for 2 grand will also claim it’s the best cable in the universe!
I hardly believe that anyone could hear the difference between the T8 or T10 and the RS130, everything else (DAC, amplification, cables, speakers and room) being the same. Sure, one may have a preference for styling or user interface of Rose v ES. But the bits from a digital transport? Hard for me to believe. Since I have never done that test, I will defer to what everyone hears with their own ears.
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This post is irrelevant to this community. No interest in copyists
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Its not just the DAC chip but the implementation. There are differences that some can hear, but its close.
There’s this guy Ed, Old Guy Hi-Fi who has a popular review channel. For the longest time he would not review a system that had an ESS DAC chip. Hated them saying they all sounded too bright and forward.
He eventually did review a system w an ESS DAC and was surprised.
Now his point about the ESS DAC chips being brighter than others is valid. But he came to the realization that even if you have two companies using the same DAC chip, there are differences in terms of
implementation.
I have to agree though… when you go further up the chain from your speakers… the less impact it has on the sound. (To a point)
If you go too cheap on the digital side, you get less quality. After a certain point, you are chasing diminishing returns.
I am talking upstream of the DAC, where the RS130 and the T8 / T10 play. Regarding the diminishing returns with a streamer / digital transport, you have to choose between your preferences on appearance, user friendliness, user interface and execution because this is the piece you are interacting with.
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Yes, as so often! Little Mikey doesn’t get it. 
Bonte, you trying to fill Boris’ shoes?
Of course I got it.
But alas, I guess since English isn’t your first language, I suggest you reread what I wrote.
I said starting at the speaker and moving back up to the source you would find that there would be a diminishing return.
So as Eleven pointed out that he was talking above the DAC… and if you take what I wrote, that would mean that you would have higher costs to achieve smaller amounts of improvements. Hence a diminishing return on the investment.
It seems you’re both lazy in terms of reading and understanding as in also working w your gear to get the most out of it.
I mean, you’re not the type of guy to go out and buy a set of older, but good speakers and upgrade the XO to get an overall better sound quality for a much lower cost. Or do a DIY kit to get more bang for your buck.
Well, perhaps not that—since I don’t possess the intellect of @BorisM. But you certainly played a part in the moderators banning Boris. So much for that topic!
Furthermore, I read everything and we both said that “if” there were a test of just the same DAC chip with different clocks, it would be possible to measure something that we won’t be able to hear with our ears.
Then I suggested:
“Try out better speakers,” “room calibration,” and physical “room treatment”—
such as “bass traps,” “carpets,” nice “window treatments (curtains),” or a “bookshelf.” These almost always help. These represent truly audible differences—unlike rambling on about nanoseconds and external clocks.
And then, of course, the factors that Eleven mentioned come into play. That’s when audiophiles might say—or think they hear—that a particular clock “sounds good enough” to justify its price (psychoacoustics).
Even the WiiM Amp Ultra has a high-quality clock built in! It sounds fantastic in combination with my Nubert NuLine 34 speakers and Canton Sub R1200 (which is actually a bit older)—and that setup is just for my modest kitchen, which measures about 4x4 meters.
These are all discussions taking place at the highest level—which I respect—but I simply don’t see the point in “using a sledgehammer to crack a nut” when—to put it gently—one cannot actually hear any significant difference.
Cheers!
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Was Boris banned permanently?
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Bonte, the point is that you might.
There are a lot of factors that play in to this.
But when you get similar products like a T10 and a Rose … you may be able to hear the difference in an ABX test… but when it comes to a preference… you may not really have one.
The other issue is synergy.
Note: I do agree with you and @Eleven that when you go up the chain… there is less difference.
I went into a local shop where they had a set of $30,000.00 active speakers attached to an Eversolo A6 and they sounded magical. (Not that if I could afford $30K speakers would I use an Eversolo on the front end. ) As to the WiiM… I’d get the discontinued Arcam Solo Uno for $250 over it any day. (If you live in the US there’s a place out of Chicago that is selling it that cheap.)
Hi Eleven,
I’m not entirely sure about that, but in any case, it was two weeks.
Hi Mikey,
But there are actually a whole host of other factors involved. Just like Eleven said! You could take 20 Rose units and 26 T10s; none of them have selected components—they all differ. That’s why I said it’s like hitting a chip with a sledgehammer.
Take two DAC chips from the same series, drive them with two different clocks, and display everything on a measuring instrument. There will certainly be differences in the clocks! But how are you supposed to test that—let alone hear it when listening to music? I’m not familiar with a setup like that, though I’m certainly not omniscient—unlike the man I’m currently replying to.
Ok…
Here’s the thing.
Take 20 random T10s.
You would have a very hard time in hearing a difference because the components are made to tight enough tolerances.
The same for Rose.
If you could hear a difference… then I’d avoid the brand. You would have a Quality Assurance issue.
With respect to the clocks… Are you suggesting two different chips of the same model? Then no you won’t hear a difference. Both clocks will have the same range of jitter. But if you had a different clock?
Like an SC cut vs TC cut clock? Different manufacturers w different tolerances? Then yes you may end up hearing a different sound. (And they should measure differently. )
Either that came across the wrong way, or you don’t understand me. I meant exactly the opposite: one DAC chip with two different clocks!
Besides, it’s all a load of nonsense—us posting this shit here—because, as ordinary people, we’re never going to figure it out anyway.