BorisM must be paid by another competitor to do this…
or the Moderators dont care at all about the rest of us!
Anyways I have tried on Amazon the basic ethernet fiber converters 70$ with basic fiber cable out of my Bell 10G ethernet to my RS130 and found a noticable difference on the good side, hence more details. I’m not sure I’m ready to spend 500 or 1000 for an ethernet switch… yet… I have spent just that on a pair of Coherent 15 Crossovers révisons 3 with Mundorf gold silver oil capacitors from Frank Fazzalari, I’m waiting for shipment. By the way I am still using the ethernet converters with my hi end system.
I think eclectically isolating the switch from your RS130 via fiber is as far as you need to go. Since the switch is working with asynchronous packets, they cannot have an influence on the sound.
I see that many find Boris annoying just because he is talking the truth. There is no sound in digital data, and “influence” of normal EM noise should not be heard on this level of audio equipement.
No, you can not trust your ears, nobody can, for small difference in sound expetation bias is much stronger than possible audibile difference in the sound. Ethernet cables and switches cannot have influence on the sound quality, not theoreticaly and not practically.
“I see that many find Boris annoying just because he is talking the truth.”
No. Absolutely no. Please read my post. It is not acceptable to insult people, whether you are right or wrong. It has something to do with manners. And that doesn’t seem to be there. Anyone who has such outbursts and deficits seems to have other problems somewhere else.
Saying you can’t trust your ears is like saying you can’t trust your taste buds or your sense of smell…
There’s no issue with him having opinions—that’s what they are, after all. The problem lies in how he communicates them: aggressively pushing his views onto others and treating anyone who disagrees as if they’re ignorant or foolish.
You didn’t, as a matter of fact (not opinion). You have, for all practical purposes, asked if orienting your 130 facing Rose’s headquarters would improve the sound. And when told no, went on the offensive because surely a person “smart” enough to use an audiophile Ethernet cable can’t possibly be wrong about anything else either!
You forgot about WiFi which provides complete galvanic AND mechanical isolation. Must be even more better superior.
If you seriously believe that it has been added for some practical benefit, and not because an SFP cage adds $5 to the bill of materials, but allows them to charge $1000 extra, I have a bridge in Brooklyn I could sell you cheap. Either the original one, or Mytek’s. ALthough you’d have better luck collecting on the original…
Just because audiophiles are willing to pay more for inferior solutions it does not follow that there even is an RFI problem, let alone that a toroidal (one “r”) transformer in a purely digital, low power device does anything about it.
Yeah, unlike a Chromecast, it has practically no utility, and Google at least can develop working software.
I’m sorry that you can’t afford something truly high end, but nothing Rose makes is that.
Of course. We could discuss room treatments, speaker positioning, subwoofer integration, room correction software (unfortunately, Rose shows zero interest in implementing the latter, which would be the only way they could actually improve the sound).
Unfortunately, due to the lack of not just education, but even any desire to learn anything, you are not interested in discussing any of that. You want to discuss, basically, how painting your device with polka dots made a vast and obvious improvement in sound that the wife heard from the kitchen, and having an argument with people who painted theirs with stripes. That’s the audiophile way.
You found a good case to compare. You can always imagine a lot of smells which really are not there and you will find extremly difficult to trust your smell between two very similar sources.
I have 25 years of practical work in sound recording industry. Most professionals can’t tell difference between good mp3 and Wav and you are telling that someone can hear the unmeasurable difference between switches and ethernet cables which cannot influence the sound even theoretically?
Speaking up for my ears, the difference between MP3 and WAV can be lost in the quality of the mastering - so I agree that for some, over a short listening period, this difference can be less obvious if the quality of mastering is not there.
However, to my ears, the high fequency noise that can get carried along with digital signals and enter into digital domain and then analogue domain is very clearly heard. For me, this is more so than MP3 to WAV for some recordings.
At least you’re using the same vocabulary - ok, then they’re just two intelectual low-flyers or there are probably several Boris fanboys. Go back to playing in the schoolyard. You trolls are probably having the time of your lives that I’m getting on your case and replying - that’s the last time, don’t worry.
And therein lies the problem. There are opinions – some people even believe that Taylor Swift is a musician. And then there are facts – Ethernet cables do not affect sound. Trying to present both as equally worthy of discussion, or respect, is intelllectually dishonest.
…and then you act all surprised when it is pointed out that you are dumber than a bag of rocks.
Which just goes to show that if you vehemently refuse to follow the most basic controls you will hear any nonexistent thing you want. At some point it might become an issue for mental health professionals, but it never is an issue of sound reproduction.
These are literally people believing that different brands of fiber sound differently. What do youb expect?
Shouldn’t you be accepting your Nobel Prize for proving that the Earth is flat, or something?
Better ignore the trolls. Deranging every thread he’s in like a feaces throwing monkey.
For better headphone performance a seperate headphone amp will have more effect. Adding cleaner clocks and internet access helps only a little. I prefer to store it locally anyway. Then you can try pulling the rj45 plug and see if you hear any improvement.
Also, there’s no noise on a usb stick since it’s not connected.
Just as one can imagine taste or vision, the argument becomes flawed when extended to absolutes.
That said—I’m glad you’ve found what works for you. I bring over 25 years of professional experience in video and audio, and regularly collaborate with colleagues in mastering and post-production. Within this field, there are certainly differing opinions on the importance and impact of various factors.
The core point remains: just because you don’t hear a difference doesn’t mean one doesn’t exist. As for measurements, anyone with a basic understanding of EMC (electromagnetic compatibility) in electronics knows that noise can indeed be measured—and it can influence signal integrity. Whether that results in an audible difference depends on numerous variables, including your gear, your environment, and of course, your ears.
Jeez @BorisM how can your theory be more important than my experience??? It’s a level of conceit that is inconceivable!!! You would probably lecture birds on flying!
(Lecturing Birds On Flying is an outstanding book BTW, that shows how throughout history, humans have failed by allowing transient theory to overrule long lasting experience)
