HIFI Rose OS Roadmap

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#33

From your earlier post outlining the road map for this year, I was under the impression that Amazon Music would be added in August ( my apologies if I was mistaken ).
Is it possible to provide an update ?

The reason I ask is that I want to use Amazon High Definition streaming. I have tried the Qobuz free trial and, although the sound quality is excellent, there are many instances of missing metadata, which make it very user unfriendly. This is particularly true when listening to classical music. It is not a HiFi Rose issue - Qobuz has known about this issue for many years now but, surprisingly, have chosen not to fix it.
Thanks for your support.

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#34

Hi,

Is there a detailed Rose Platform roadmap available somewhere? It would be good to know, if RoseOS will be based on newer version of Android, which will determine support for Apple Music HiRes for example or Tidal Connect capabilities.

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#35

(sigh)

We’ve been over this many times. You do not need “higher version of Android” for any of these. It’s not a freaking phone.

#36

Indeed this might be a popular topic, but I strongly disagree. OS development is very important from feature and security perspective.

3rd party libraries often require fresh platform, so to get the most from Tidal or Apple Music either way you have to upgrade from time to time.

Have a nice day :), I’m just being curious.

#37

If you are curious maybe you should check with people who have expertise in software development. While at some point some SDKs might require a higher version of Android, currently neither Apple’s Music Kit nor Tidal’s SDK (not Qobuz etc.) require even the version Rose is based on as the minimum. Not that newer versions of Android offered anything related to either the sound mixer (Rose uses a custom one, so getting it to work with newer version would be a major undertaking anyway) nor for making REST calls to services’ servers and processing streams of audio data.

Rose is a music player. Unless you’re planning on strapping a modem to it and teaching it to make phone calls, features added in new versions are completely irrelevant. Sure, in recent versions you can put controls into a notification shade. Rose does not even use a notification shade. It’s not a phone. There/s nothing in the latest Android that would maker Rose a better music player.

It would, however, require that Rose spend some significant effort on rewriting the custom audio subsystem to work with the new version. If you prefer that there are no improvements to RoseOS for the next year while they’re busy with it, go ahead, keep asking. I think there are far more important things they should concentrate on. E.g. integrating Idagio would be really neat. Still does not require any OS updates.

#38

Thanks for your reply.

I was inspired by the availability of lossless quality in the Apple Music Android app. Nowadays, the highest quality is probably not available outside of it. Pity. I’ll keep asking Apple :slight_smile:

#39

It would be nice to have (I’d prefer Idagio, but still), but Apple does not really like to play outside of their walled garden. They don’t make it available to Roon or anyone else either.

Short of Apple building their app for RoseOS (slim chance) only options are to either use aa streamer that can load Play Store apps (could be Android 7, Apple Music would work) or beg Apple to add lossless support to the Music Kit SDK. Nothing there currently requires higher version of Android either. Whether they would actually do it is rather doubtful though, it doesn’t sell iDevices.

#40

Hi, @ROSEHAN news about Amazon Music?

#41

@Okrim

We are in contact with Amazon Music, but are having trouble adding it.
We are working on adding Amazon Music. We will let you know when additional schedules become available.

#42

Well that’s disappointing. Have been hearing that Amazon has been ‘coming’ for over a year now and the ‘road map’ presented above indicated it would be in a update August 2023. I just can’t imagine how this can be so difficult to implement when so many other manufacturers and platforms do not seem to have an issue integrating Amazon into their steaming systems. :thinking:

#43

This is very disappointing news indeed.

Is this really the only information you can provide ? My dealer was informed by HIFi Rose at the recent Münich Show that implementation was imminent and your own road map published on this forum suggested an August 2023 introduction. Now we are simply told “we are in contact with Amazon” with no indication of when Amazon Music will be introduced.

If it’s not going to happen anytime soon, then please let us know rather than keeping us guessing as to when it might happen.

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#44

So here is the real reality of this. There is no limitation based on the current version of android or from Apple. The Rose team elected to build there own apple version that’s pulling from the API which is the limitation. The reason that they did not go native is evident. Apple music natively has music videos, podcast, and radio stations. All 3 of these conflict with apps developed by this team. The sad part is we’ve already paid for the hardware and software/app changes are free. :slightly_smiling_face:

#45

There is a very simple limitation, which comes from Apple. They do not do high res on anything that isn’t the Apple native app. A native app will not work properly on a Rose (or any other device that tries to integrate all services into a single consistent UI) and chances of Apple making a Rose-specific build are somewhere between slim and none. If you want it, lobby Apple to allow it through the API. I would not hold my breath though as Apple has no interest in anything that does not increase sales of fruit devices.

#46

I wholeheartedly agree with your comments on introduction of Apple high resolution.
Why do you think there is a delay ( unexpected ) in introduction of Amazon Music Unlimited ?

#47

I’ve never looked into Amazon’s APIs, but it seems, from a cursory glance at the docs, that it is technically feasible and that their API does support all qualities. This, unlike Apple, probably is in Rose’s court.

#48

Many thanks for the explanation. Very much appreciated.
I just wonder what is preventing Rose from introducing Amazon Music Unlimited, especially after all their previous announcements.
It is a lower cost route to High Res streaming, especially when compared to Tidal ( $9.99 per month v $19.99 per month ). Qobuz is a non starter for me until it introduces Qobuz Connect because of its very poor metadata, which also makes choosing specific classical music tracks via CarPlay or Sonos very difficult.

#49

You’re welcome.

I just use Roon with Qobuz and bypass search and metadata issues (“Connect” generally seems like a bad idea if you ever let anyone else into your house), but it is an additional expense.

I would imagine (total speculation) that ROse’s software development department is not very large and getting fixes out takes priority.

It seems that with the latest RoseOS update that separated core OS from apps that can be installed (and updated) separatelydelivering something like Amazon Unlimited would be easier.

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#50

The impression I get is that HiFi Rose’s software perspective is along the lines of “we have an idea of how we want to do it, not quite sure we know how or if it’s really a good way to do it, but we’d rather stick with our ideas even if they don’t quite work and we can’t quite figure out how to get them to work”.

Sorry, that’s a mouthful, but I think I’m right.

Examples -

Effective Shuffle routine, something free control interfaces like LMS have had for years (as well as mConnect, BubbleUPnP, etc)

Gapless DSD

Internet Radio (I see no need for Rose to have to develop their own, when there are more than a few that have been out there for years)

Being able to use a remote server like MinimServer, practically everybody out there supports this capability - why can’t Rose?

I’m sure other folks here can add to this list. I have no evidence to support my view, but it seems like Rose may be caught in a “not invented here” mindset. If I’m wrong, I apologize.

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#51

And oh, full UPNP/DLNA compliance, whatever that means. The Lumin app, mConnect, BubbleUPnP, LMS, can all see my other stream capable devices. But not all of them can see my RS130. Weird.

#52

You are absolutely right!! I am going on about the shuffle feature for nearly a year now!
Why should it be a problem? I bought about 13 or 14 years ago an Olive 4HD streamer and that one didn’t have any problems with the shuffle feature!! At the time I had about 20000+ songs on it’s hard disk!!!
ROSE thinks to shuffle 3000 is enough! I understand their thinking when you have from Classic to Rock music all genres of music on the SSD, but some people have well beyond 40000 songs from similar genres on the SSD - hence their thinking is not correct :+1:t2: