HIFI Rose OS Roadmap

Well that’s disappointing. Have been hearing that Amazon has been ‘coming’ for over a year now and the ‘road map’ presented above indicated it would be in a update August 2023. I just can’t imagine how this can be so difficult to implement when so many other manufacturers and platforms do not seem to have an issue integrating Amazon into their steaming systems. :thinking:

This is very disappointing news indeed.

Is this really the only information you can provide ? My dealer was informed by HIFi Rose at the recent Münich Show that implementation was imminent and your own road map published on this forum suggested an August 2023 introduction. Now we are simply told “we are in contact with Amazon” with no indication of when Amazon Music will be introduced.

If it’s not going to happen anytime soon, then please let us know rather than keeping us guessing as to when it might happen.

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So here is the real reality of this. There is no limitation based on the current version of android or from Apple. The Rose team elected to build there own apple version that’s pulling from the API which is the limitation. The reason that they did not go native is evident. Apple music natively has music videos, podcast, and radio stations. All 3 of these conflict with apps developed by this team. The sad part is we’ve already paid for the hardware and software/app changes are free. :slightly_smiling_face:

There is a very simple limitation, which comes from Apple. They do not do high res on anything that isn’t the Apple native app. A native app will not work properly on a Rose (or any other device that tries to integrate all services into a single consistent UI) and chances of Apple making a Rose-specific build are somewhere between slim and none. If you want it, lobby Apple to allow it through the API. I would not hold my breath though as Apple has no interest in anything that does not increase sales of fruit devices.

I wholeheartedly agree with your comments on introduction of Apple high resolution.
Why do you think there is a delay ( unexpected ) in introduction of Amazon Music Unlimited ?

I’ve never looked into Amazon’s APIs, but it seems, from a cursory glance at the docs, that it is technically feasible and that their API does support all qualities. This, unlike Apple, probably is in Rose’s court.

Many thanks for the explanation. Very much appreciated.
I just wonder what is preventing Rose from introducing Amazon Music Unlimited, especially after all their previous announcements.
It is a lower cost route to High Res streaming, especially when compared to Tidal ( $9.99 per month v $19.99 per month ). Qobuz is a non starter for me until it introduces Qobuz Connect because of its very poor metadata, which also makes choosing specific classical music tracks via CarPlay or Sonos very difficult.

You’re welcome.

I just use Roon with Qobuz and bypass search and metadata issues (“Connect” generally seems like a bad idea if you ever let anyone else into your house), but it is an additional expense.

I would imagine (total speculation) that ROse’s software development department is not very large and getting fixes out takes priority.

It seems that with the latest RoseOS update that separated core OS from apps that can be installed (and updated) separatelydelivering something like Amazon Unlimited would be easier.

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The impression I get is that HiFi Rose’s software perspective is along the lines of “we have an idea of how we want to do it, not quite sure we know how or if it’s really a good way to do it, but we’d rather stick with our ideas even if they don’t quite work and we can’t quite figure out how to get them to work”.

Sorry, that’s a mouthful, but I think I’m right.

Examples -

Effective Shuffle routine, something free control interfaces like LMS have had for years (as well as mConnect, BubbleUPnP, etc)

Gapless DSD

Internet Radio (I see no need for Rose to have to develop their own, when there are more than a few that have been out there for years)

Being able to use a remote server like MinimServer, practically everybody out there supports this capability - why can’t Rose?

I’m sure other folks here can add to this list. I have no evidence to support my view, but it seems like Rose may be caught in a “not invented here” mindset. If I’m wrong, I apologize.

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And oh, full UPNP/DLNA compliance, whatever that means. The Lumin app, mConnect, BubbleUPnP, LMS, can all see my other stream capable devices. But not all of them can see my RS130. Weird.

You are absolutely right!! I am going on about the shuffle feature for nearly a year now!
Why should it be a problem? I bought about 13 or 14 years ago an Olive 4HD streamer and that one didn’t have any problems with the shuffle feature!! At the time I had about 20000+ songs on it’s hard disk!!!
ROSE thinks to shuffle 3000 is enough! I understand their thinking when you have from Classic to Rock music all genres of music on the SSD, but some people have well beyond 40000 songs from similar genres on the SSD - hence their thinking is not correct :+1:t2:

It’s amazing to look back now and see just how capable things like Olive and LMS (even before it was Logitech Media Server) were, so many years ago.

Yes, I agree 100%. The problem of Olive was that they were well ahead of the time.

I agree, and with Slimdevices as well. Funny how a lot of people think streaming is something new, when it’s been around for over 20 years (the original SliMP3 came out in 2001!!!). The Transporter - from back in 2006 - with Slimserver software (open source, BTW, and still in operation today as LMS) should put a lot of these newbie companies to shame with what was working over a decade ago. :face_with_monocle:

I fully support #4 (update Android 7 to at least Android 14); see below for added support/improvements of each newer Android Versions:

  • Android apps: 32-bit ← use apps “as is” (do not modify the Streaming Service apps such as Qobuz, Tidal, Amazon Music,…). Extra advantage is less HiFi Rose development/bug-fixing efforts & users can add any desired app via Google Play Store (that’s a major long term improvement for users).

    • Android 12 supports frame rate matching, multi-view & better support for television, and more

    • Android 13 supports Spatial Audio, Spotify Connect, allows apps to dynamically add in devices that they can connect to, and more

    • Android 14 supports Ultra HDR, variable aspect ratios, supports multiple screen sizes, and more

Good Lord, another one…