Is there any difference in rs130 signal quality to external dac compared lower cost models?
In the opinion of people who had spent lots of money on a streamer, there is. In the real world, no, unless the DAC is extremely peculiar any incoming (digital!) signal is buffered, clocked, and the output is exactly the same no matter what you use on the other end.
How about compared to wiim pro or eversolo
If you do not see the price tag of what is playing, you will not hear any difference. You are unlikely to hear any even if you were using their built-in DACs, really.
Now, you probably do not close your eyes when walking into the room, and Rose, IMO, looks better than Wiim (and has a bigger screen than EverSolo), there are ergonomic and feature considerations etc. etc. But purely from the sound quality point of view (and especially when using an external DAC) it is all the same.
Boris,
Sorry to tell you but you are wrong . I blind tested with WiiM pro , mini, node, and Hifi Rose 130. We could determine which one near every time. For instance , using Sonus Faber speaker Olympic nova 2 and ma352, on Tchaikovsky violin concerto first movement, the drum sounds completely different, much tighter , punchier, and faster timbre, it sounds almost like a different recording with RS130 . I guess if your system not revealing enough maybe you can’t tell. But for me it’s very clear and obvious
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At the risk of getting myself into an internet audiophile snake oil spat, all streamers do not sound the same.
Different design
Different implementation
Different parts and parts quality
My personal experience was comparing my Innuos Zen with the RS130. They sounded different. Of course they sounded different. How would anyone expect two boxes that are different in every way to sound the same?
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Ah, good old audiophile “I overpaid 500% for some crap, so it MUST be better than yours” argument.
So it was not a blind test, or levels were not matched. There is no such thing as “faster timbre” (what the hell does that even mean?!) and none of the things you are describing could, in any way, be affected by a streamer, unless it was doing some very heavy processing.
Also, thanks for confirming that your speakers are very good looking (Sonus Faber makes gorgeous kit) but far less “revealing” (or at least far less accurate) than mine.
Uh, because neither one of them has any sound at all? Digital comes in one end, and digital goes out the other end. There is no sound anywhere. Granted, something as reptilian as Innuos could be doing something to the signal without telling you, but then it’s just broken.
Absolute nonsense. If you can’t hear a difference then there is a problem with the rest of your kit or your ears. Otherwise we would all be using dirt cheap Chinese steamers and there would be no sales of higher end streamers.
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Boris,
No need to be so defensive. I’m a trained classical musician and my wife is an actual professional musician. We know the difference in sound quality. With the RS130 it’s clear as day, you literally must have problems with your hearing or your system if you can’t hear the difference. As far as bass drum timbre in Tchaikovsky violin concerto being fast, I was describing on wiim pro and node, the sound lacked the deep, dark, crisp, organic tonality that one could relate to the rhythmic drive accentuating, on cheaper streamers it felt much less organic, forced, and digital.
No offense, but I’ve been to see live concerts and world class soloist more times than I can count and have grown up listening to a Hamburg Steinway. I think you just don’t know what you’re listening to and lack the knowledge to discern what are subtle but obvious differences to people who understand classical music.
I bet with your attitude you would claim a Suzuki violin is the same as an Amati because they are all wood and strings. There’s still a lot that we can’t explain scientifically, but there are clear sound quality differences.
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I don,t know the difference between all the rose streamers. But i had first a sonnet Hermes streamer and now I have the rose 130. And the difference is amazing. Especially when your using the fiber option. Much wider stereo image. Better defined base etc.
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the complete audiophool trifecta. Your system isn;t expensive, er, resolving enough, and you are deaf. 
I guess you also believe that a Rolex measures time better than a Casio…
There are many reasons to buy a more expensive streamer – build quality, after-sales support, appearance, ergonomics, features, etc. etc. But sound quality is not one of them.
of course you need to have stayed awake through at least high school physics classes. Which is obviously too much to ask of people who are not just ignorant, but also extremely proud of it.
Translation: your hearing has been shot for years.
This is a bunch of meaningless nonsense that has nothing to do with any differences in sound, but might depend on what you had for breakfast, whether the weather is nice, and maybe phases of the moon.
It might come as a surprise to you, but you are not the only person in the world to have heard live music.
Uh huh. Or maybe you just want to believe that your ears are more golden.
And that just goes to show that you have no clue what you are talking about. There are differences between violins, especially hand-made violins, which can be heard (and measured!, too). Not that an Amati or Stradivari were necessarily "better: in some way than certain modern violins (and this has been demonstrated), but they are different.
There certainly might be some psychoacoustic phenomena we do not completely know yet. We do know perfectly well how to compare two sound sources and determine if there is any difference or not. This can be measured down to below the level at which any differences would be masked by brownian motion of air molecules. There difference is not there.
Some people get really upset though to learn that their ears are not really all that superior, and that they might have wasted lots of money on useless kit. It does not help when their knowledge of any science is somewhere below zero.
you would not happen to need a very pretty bridge in New York, would you? I could sell you one pretty cheap.
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Okay Boris, I see your ridiculous arguments are just for trolling. Go ahead and enjoy your $100.00 Chinese streamer, it works fine and I have one too.
If it makes yourself feel better repeating those lies to yourself because you can’t afford a RS130, please go ahead . Nobody is fooled by your arguments, we all know you are on a limited income, no shame in that but don’t try to convince yourself your Honda is the same as a Rolls Royce. It’s not and everyone knows it . I do admit the RS130 is an expensive machine, but it is an absolute joy to own, and maybe one day you will be able to experience it, including the incredible sonic differences.
Also, I should add that every credible, neutral reviewer from the American press has confirmed the sonic improvements, so please spare everyone all of your lies or ignorance .
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Okay then tell me how would the difference between an Amati violin sound be measured versus a Stradivarius, all other things being equal ?
Okay, please tell me how they can be measured! I would love to know. You will be the first person in the world who can measure the differences between violin makers Stradivarius and Amati, and look he’s here on Hifi Rose community page trolling . What an amazing coincidence ! I’m starting to think you must be some Chinese troll that works for one of the cheaper streamers to be this asinine.
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Good for you. I don’t, but maybe I should get one now…
You do not have to tell the world that you are an idiot quite so loudly.
Yup. You are an idiot. Because there are quite objective differences between a Honda and a Rolls (I prefer Germans myself, but same idea). You are arguing that a Honda is infinitely better than a Toyota though.
Alas, that difference exists only in your head. And I prefer having one with brains.
LOL. Name one “credible, neutral reviewer” in the US audiophile press. Better yet, name one who isn’t deaf as a rock.
Just goes to show that the less one knows, the more cocksure he is… Not only is it pretty easy to do (run it through the sound analyzer and look at harmonics and stuff) but it has been done, many times. Now, it will not quite tell you which one sounds “better,” whatever “better” might mean for a violin (although it has also been shown long ago that there isn’t anything special about a Stradivari other than the name cachet) but it will show that they are different.
Yeah, that must explain why I have two Roses (and a bunch of other high-end kit) and not single Topping here… Or maybe just another signal that you are veey much flattering yourself assuming that you can “think” or that your opinions would be of interest to anyone but Messrs. Dunning and Kruger.
If you stuck to arguing, for example, whose interpretation of Bruckner’s 9th symphony is better, there could be some meaningful discussion. But being an “audiophile” (i.e. someone both deaf and ignorant, and proud of both) you insist on arguing things that you simply do not understand. Must be pretty sad life if the best you can do it trying to prove to someone on the interwebs that your ears are so good you can even hear things that aren’t there.
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Wow I have to take my hat off to you. You are truly an insufferable troll, so idiotic and brainless, but completely lacking self awareness. Now I know you are a total failure in life , never married, and will probably never be able to afford a RS130 or anything of substantial value. Interacting with you has truly made me lesser of a human being.
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If you really think people are buying Innuos Statement and Naim NS33 or RS130 for the build quality you are even dafter than you sound. Enjoy your ÂŁ30 streaming dongle safe in the knowledge that only you, the chosen one, can hear what is really there and everyone else in the world is deluded or paying 6 figure sums for the quality of the case, lol!
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LOL that was a good one. This idiot troll Boris is scum of the earth, pretentious jerk. He probably get the commission from dirty company cheap dongle to come spew his nonsense and ignorance .
Why else would any honorable person spend so much time trying to propagate a false lie to harm the company reputation? This Boris guy is really evil.
No rs 130 but a rs150b that gives me more satisfaction than the Teac Ud701 yet excellent
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I should not weigh in here but I will anyway.
Please stop the ad hominem personal attacks.
You have many good things to contribute.
The personal attacks just prove to be exemplars of the Dunning Kruger effect.
This is a HiFi Rose site. Let’s keep it to that.
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