[Official] SW Ver 5.9 (Rose OS 5.9.07) Software Release

ROSE NOTICE New Software Release
#384

EaseUS makes great tools, but it won’t actually tell you that the file is intact.

But math is not a matter of belief. And FLAC operation is pure math (including checksumming of the contained data). Do you turn off compression in your browser, in case this very forum is rendered wrong on your screen, too?

As I was saying (and again, not even trying to be insulting here) it doesn’t really matter, definitely not to me, whether you are using FLACs or naked WAV files, but “not trusting” them is irrational behavior, and it just makes it harder to take seriously claims about sonic difference after the update.

Sure, knowing Rose, it is possible that they have mucked something up very specifically for the 151, or maybe for 151s with a specific serial number that just happens to be yours, but with there having been no changes on at least 250 and 520, once output settings have been set back to where they were prior to update (because not mucking up saved settings is too much to ask of Rose developers), and making such a targeted change would likely require more work from them than they have ever appeared to be willing to perform, a rather likely scenario is that nothing had changed with the 151 either, and you are hearing the difference because you “don’t trust” the update…

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#385

So before I state the facts here civility is a must…
I don’t like confrontation!
I reach out for ideas and information.
I’m not against what your saying here. I do understand the complexity. In most cases it is what we term as operator error. Me included!
I have a 151 that was increadable to listen too right up to the last update… Now to elaborate… The unit was set back to factory specs before the last update. At which time stalled and crashed. After several hours of testing and reinstalling the update . I was able to complete.
I don’t store anything it’s only used for streaming Qobuz.
After about an hour the unit stopped streaming music and started to make an awful hi pitch sound ending the life of my speakers…I don’t listen to my system loud even though it is very dynamic. The amp is Krell 600 fpb pure Class A
The pre used was the Rose RS151 as that’s my intention.
Nothing else.
So mine must be unique because most have had zero issues with the update.
At this point it’s water over the dam, I’m not waisting any more time with Rose. They are non responsive.
That’s what I mean about Rose being broken.
Sure I can ship it back for repairs but I choose not .

#386

Well, that’s something quite different, and sorry about your speakers.

Rose’s support is certainly lacking (you might have better luck with the local distributor). What you are describing definitely does not sound like a possible failure mode with Krell, it being a Class A analog device, and being built like a tank anyway. Does not sound like a DAC issue either, the DAC in 151 it totally off the shelf quality part.It outputs whatever it is given on input. Do we know that there weren’t a glitch with Qobuz at that time, or that specific file being corrupted on the particular CDN server that was used to send it to you?

Of course assuming that your volume was set to something reasonable even for full-scale passages, and assuming no EQ applied (which could lead to extended digitial clipping that does burn tweeters out very nicely) this seems like something electrical going bad in your 151, not the software upgrade.

#387

I agree to be honest.
Someone made fun that I have APD. I didn’t claim to have golden ears, I claimed the opposite. APD, or Auditory Processing Disorder(a form of deafness/hearing loss) means my brain doesn’t have the ability to correctly process sounds. I stated that my APD might be why I can tell a difference in FIR, not because my ears are better, but for the opposite reason. Your brains are able to remove the variances because it’s super cool and does it. My brain is broken and can’t, so my brain may be trying to figure out what to do with the “ringing” variances in the FIR and some filters simply sound cleaner to me than others (which is why I can’t tell them apart in that I can name them, just that I can tell them apart in that they’re different, I also don’t know that I can tell each one apart from the other, just that some stand out to me as cleaner than some others).
I wasn’t bragging, I was doing the opposite. The “voltage” statement was me using an example that could also explain the reason, as not every album gets distorted from the extra voltage. I presented an idea, that maybe some albums are easier to hear FIR variances than others. I don’t know for certain, which I stated.
The reason I defended the “problem” while others said it was a “non issue” is because for me it isn’t a non issue. I’d like Rose to take it seriously and fix it. If people keep saying stuff like “it’s not real”, then you’re just doing Rose a favor in defending their terrible update as their free PR team. Please don’t help them, as I can’t find a FIR that is as clean sounding as the SSRO now, which again, maybe my broken brain.
Someone said I have a low IQ, yet I have a real disability, and it was very hurtful that you mocked me that way. You can spend $300 and get a sound I have to maybe spend $3000 to get, just to overcompensate for my brain.

#388

You’re describing ADD/ADHD.

Your hearing itself is probably fine.
And in some w ADD/ADHD have a superior sense of touch or feeling. (Which can also be exhibited in hearing.)

Trying to explain a mental health issue to Boris is like trying to explain Diff EQs to a caveman.

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#390

I do have ADHD, and I’ve noticed that it seems to be tied to it although the official diagnosis of APD is separated from ADHD.
One of the chief symptoms is that if two people are talking in front of me, I can’t hear either of them. I hear sounds, but almost no individual words can be made out. Thats why it’s classified as hearing loss, because functionally I can’t hear them in any meaningful way.

#391

JMBARG

I have a question, do you play any musical instruments?

On Saturday, I played around with all the filters in the Rose RS 151 (I don’t have the latest update), and honestly, the two of us listened, changed filter after filter, and the differences were truly very subtle.

I should point out that I play guitar, and I also do it by ear, so my hearing is fine, but to truly detect the huge differences between the individual filters, you have to be a master musician and play the violin, because, as we know, only people with the best hearing play such instruments.

#392

I don’t think JMBARG ever attributed his SQ issues to changes in the filters, at least that I recall. But he won’t do any troubleshooting so we will never know what the problem is with his device.

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#393

Does anyone know if the early release software fixes anything? Kinda want to pull the trigger to find out :sweat_smile:

#394

Boris,
So far you’ve shown yourself to be ignorant of pretty much everything if you couldn’t find it using ChatGPT.

Please go hang out w Amir. You’re his kind of people.

#395

So there are a couple of related diagnostic codes in the area and ADHD coverages a lot of things.
One of the symptoms is hyper-sensitivity which could be auditory as well as a heightened sense of touch.

You can ignore Boris.
He’s clueless.

#396

I would suspect it does.

If you don’t have any killer issues… wait.
If you’re stuck and you need the fix… update.

Pretty much the norm for any product.

#397

Boris.

You’re right! I simply prefer 16-24-32 bit PCM WAV.

With “programmers,” anything can happen, and it is possible; what’s clear to me is that after the latest update, the sound isn’t the same, even though I reset everything to factory settings and reconfigured the entire system. I hope the Rose people stop messing around and fix all the mess-ups they made in the next update. They’re more concerned with setting that stupid password than making the audio sound as it should.

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#399

I don’t understand what the RS151 filters have to do with the fact that the last update messed up the audio that was playing before the update!

Interpolation filters are a matter of taste, and everyone has their own preference; they’re like assholes; everyone has their own.

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#401

@Cougar2025 I don’t know if you’re being sarcastic or not…

You don’t need to be a master musician to hear differences in the filters.
What you hear and how much of a difference is relative. It also would depend on what type of music you like to listen to.

To your point… for those that can hear the difference… I doubt any of them could identify the actual filter being used… mostly that they hear a difference and have a preference.

A lot of time, you really have to know the specific piece of music and you have to listen carefully to the music to notice the difference.

#402

Uh, anyone who had played a violin professionally for any length of time, if not totally deaf, has very damaged hearing. Musicians and audiophiles consistently rate the lowest at being able to tell any real differences between sounds.

It is possible that one is more sensitive to pre-ringing than an average person. Probably could even tell the difference hen listening to test impulses. When playing actually music it is going to be masked by, well, music. And if one is not bothered by a super-slow filter dropping off noticeably by 12kHz or so (which even many audiophiles still can hear), chances are one won’t hear ny high-frequency pre-ringing anyway.

And Smegmel the Stupid is still an idiot.

#403

Boris you clearly don’t pay attention.

You want to criticize me over my choice of speakers.
Yet they were perfect for what I wanted and needed for that space.
Did I need a Sub? Sure. Was going to get one long before I bought the Mon Mini s.

My Hadyns go down to ~43Hz and I wanted a bit more.

The REL was recommended by the guys at Mon. And of course the RS520 has the power to drive them which also important.

But seriously go play w Amir. You’re his kind of guy.
You’d be happier w a Fosi amp and their products.

After all, you can’t hear any differences… they all sound the same. Right?