Hi, I recently purchased a Silent Angel Bonn N8 to bridge my Linksys wireless router and the RS250A, along with Audioquest RJ cables. The Roseconnect app keeps disconnecting and often can’t locate the IP address. It connects occasionally, but most of the time it drops out. Any ideas on how to fix this? Thanks
Set your streamer to a fixed IP-Adress out of range DHCP.
This very often solved network issues.
Don’t use broken by design useless crap (that applies to anything from both Silent Angel and Fraudioquest) and things will work fine.
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While I don’t disagree, the overpriced cables are just cables.
The issue could be Linksys (also carp)
@Christian is right in that you could use a fixed IP address outside the range, assuming that you set the range to allow for this or you run into a netmask problem. (e.g. default netmasks are 255.255.255.0 so only that last range is allowed to be used. So you’d want to set your DHCP range from 50-254 so the bottom 50 are reserved. … or something like that.
Alternatively, if your router supports it… based on the MAC address of the device, you can set it to always use a specific IP address so that the device still used DHCP to connect, then the router will always assign it the same ip address. (Its a bit cleaner)
Either will work. Setting a default address from the device’s MAC address is cleaner.
While that is true in a sense that fixing the IP address of the Rose might fix some issues (not that you should need to fix the IP address of a client device), Fraudioquest cables are just cables, and Bonn N8 is (allegedly) a switch, not a router, let alone a DHCP server. If they were actually doing what they are supposed to do they would have no effect on the IP address or connectivity of the Rose. The problem of course is that both are made of 100% pure solidified snake oil and are designed purely for transferring the content of one’s bank account into vendor’s coffers. Not for anything like maintaining network connectivity.
While Linksys would not be my first choice for network equipment (although the only brand that I ever had network equipment just break, twice, for different products, was Netgear) it should work as well as anything for feeding the Rose. Putting anything fancier than a Cat5e (Cat6a if you have a very long run) cable from Wal*Mart between the router and Rose will at best change absolutely nothing and, as we can see, break things altogether. Fraudioquest cables aren’t tested certified Ethernet cables compliant with any specific standard and Bonn is just a bag of cheapest parts they could find thrown in an expensive-looking case by people who have no idea how Ethernet works.
The correct fix is to remove both from the chain, connect Rose directly to Linksys with a proper category-compliant cable (if Wal*Mart is too cheesy, Office Depot or a local equivalent is good) and enjoy the music. If Linksys keeps giving the Rose different IP addresses and one does not want to keep searching for it in Rose Connect, setting up an address reservation based on Rose’s MAC address as @Smegel mentioned is the cleanest solution.
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Boris go w CAT 8 since its going to be a better cable and not much more expensive.
As to the fixed IP address. You want to do this for devices which you need to connect via a web interface.
For example an Arcam Solo Uno has a web interface if you’re not just using their spotify app or airplay.
Other devices too…
Linksys is your typical consumer device. Netgear is a step up… barely but better built.
What exactly is a Cat8 cable giving me in practical terms that Cat6a isn’t? Ground lops and being hard to bend?
For running cable in the walls, if you want to be particularly future-proof, maybe. And even then by the time anything faster than 10Gb becomes feasible at home, there’s likely to be a new standard. For a backbone connecting distribution switches you might as well run fiber.
Specifically for the case of connecting a Linksys router (most likely 1Gb at best) to a Rose 250 (definitely 1Gb) anything above 6a is a waste.Sure, you could run a Cat549 cable to it, but it won’t stream music any differently.
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That’s right, Boris.
I posted to you back then that I also wired everything with CAT8 because it was only a few marks more expensive than CAT6. I also wanted to be future-proof with the cables. But when will we reach the speeds that a CAT8 cable is supposedly capable of???
Here in Germany, certainly not in 100 years.
Ultimately, I agree with you: if it really does get to the point where such high speeds can be transmitted, there will be new, suitable cables or another connection for that.
That’s one thing. And while running patch cables in an apartment isn’t going to be particularly more expensive whether you use 5e or 8. Try wiring an entire housem and the difference starts adding up.
Besides, these are digital cables designed for a specific purpose with specific constraints. People naturally tend to think that bigger numbers are “better” but this not the case. For an example, while a big 18-wheeler truck is better for transporting 20 tons of manure, if you need to transport just one 10Kg bag, it is not getting it to the destination any faster or better than a VW Golf. Same with sending data over Ethernet – most common home equipment tops out at 1Gb/s which makes even Cat5e perfectly fine for distances you are likely to need in a normal house.
10Gb/s is slowly making its way into home use so you may want to be ready for that, and here Cat6a is just fine for up to 100 meters. Putting Cat 8 in its place is not giving you any benefit, nothing is working in any way “better.” And if you are planning on eventually getting something that runs at 25Gb/s or faster (which will really will take years to make its way from data centers to home), just get fiber. Same price as Cat8, but even middle of the road OM3 multi-mode fiber will do 100Gb/s at 70 meters, while Cat8 tops out at 40Gb/s at 30 meters.
For any kind of Internet service, for now 6a is just fine. Even if we start getting multi-gig speeds to home, you will just be saturating pipes elsewhere. I don’t even have a gigabit service, and even with that, other than speed test sites, I can count on one hand how often I actually get some real downloads coming anywhere near filling up my Internet bandwidth.
At home you might want to have e.g. a network storage where you back up your computers to, keep your Roon audio collection etc., but even with those anything above 10Gb/s is so far relegated to pro-level equipment with corresponding price tag.So no, I very much doubt that getting everything wired with Cat8 is a good advice. It does not really hurt anything, but it does not give you any real benefit now, or in any foreseeable future.
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I set my DHCP range for i.e. from .100 to .199, that‘s all enough for home using network.
My RS130 is then .200 or higher.
All with one and same network mask.
And may be you priorize streamer in your router, so i did with my AVM Fritzbox 6690 cable.
Started my journey with audiophile switch with Silent Bonn N8, now SOTM snH-10G.
If interested, many users stack their switches to smelling down jitter.
Read the spec.
CAT 8 is rated up to 40Gb/S for a certain distance. Then the speed drops off. (Same w all cables.)
The cable is made w better components and better shielding.
In terms of speed. I run 10GbE in my home. Been doing it for 5 yrs now since I built my home cluster.
You can buy 40 GbE switches, affordable if you buy them on the used market.
Personally I’m going to jump from 10GbE to 100GbE (SPF+ Fiber) for my servers because that’s now within range for a home network. (oh wait, you’re not in the industry and most likely don’t have a SOHO.)
The hard part is doing fiber runs in the house. (Dust, patching, painting)
BTW, here in the US we now have 10GbE fiber to the home being offered. This helps for those w SOHO use cases but not something most consumers need. Until price drops 1GbE is good enough.
I used USB-C cables as an example. There’s now a USB-C 4 standard where you have a much better cable at a reasonable price. Will not only give you 40Gb/s throughput for your latest lighting port spec, but also rated for 230W of power. When using Dongle DACs you want to use these cables since they can provide more power to the dac. (See discussions on the Onix Alpha dac(s) )
These are examples of where the cables make a difference. Same w HDMI where you now have multiple specs using the same cable.
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Yes you can do that.
You can do port priority if you run a managed switch.
I don’t because its not worth the headaches and you don’t have enough traffic in a home to warrant it.
This is a good example of why 10GbE in the house is warranted these days.
Want to add this…
Many in the audiophile world buy into a bit of hype and lots of overkill.
Having a synchronized clock signal is important if you really want to crush jitter and you need a fairly accurate clock. Do you need femto accuracy? No. But you get it because the computer industry does need it when setting timing in data centers. So the prices drop due to volume being manufactured.
Using the same clock signal across components removes jitter completely because its the same clock.
(Note that there are other factors but at this point its moot. (the time it takes for light to travel 1m is 10^-8 seconds)
One of the reasons I say buy better commercial grade networking gear is due to the economies of scale. Your audiophile specialty switches are not manufactured at the same scale so you end up spending more for less.
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What i meant, but not exactly point out is using internet priority, not port priority.
In my case, i‘m very happy with that.
It’s also well explained here that CAT 7 cables aren’t used in homes or living areas.
As @BorisM has already posted several times.
So, if you think you have a real CAT 7 cable at home, sorry, they’re all fakes and you’ve given your money to scammers, unless you have a home router that has CAT 7 with GG45 connectors. All home routers I know of have RJ45 plugs and sockets as standard.
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Many users put magic dots and crystals on their equipment, paint edges of their CDs green with magic markers, and do all kind of stupid things. None of them does jack because “jitter” is not applicable to asynchrounous packet transmission over Ethernet, not matter what crooks from Silent Swindler may say.
Yes. So if you are not running a 40Gb/s connection, Cat8 gives you absolutely nothing. And if you are, OM3 gives tou much higher speed over much longer distance.
So, nothing in your setup actually benefits from Cat8.
You would come across somewhat more reasonable if you would abstain from making ignorant assumptions. Does not look good. And for heaven’s sake, learn the technology!
I’ve hundreds of meters of OM4 fiber running around, where it is needed.
And of course, since you are running 10Gb/s now (6a is fine), and will migrate to 100Gb/s (Cat8 does not support it) using Cat8 still hasn’t given you anything.
Yes, in a few places you can get it, for lots of money. I am still waiting for Spectrum to roll out their 10Gb+ hi-split setup here. Whether you would actually get anything near those speeds doing anything useful remains unlikely.
Yes, if you are using USB4 ports on both end.
Great if your ports support and need it. If they don’t, congratulations, your USB-4 cable is working exactly the same as anything USB-3.x (or 2) would, no difference whatsoever.
Bullshit. No dongle DAC needs anything anywhere near 230W. And pointing at some clowns discussing cheap DAC with decidedly not state of the art DAC chip, pushing whopping 0.5W of power. 230 watts, my a$$.
Sorry, but these are just examples of you not quite knowing what you are talking about.
Even if you were “in the industry” back in 10BASE-2 days, technology had moved ahead quite bit since then, but your knowledge, alas, hasn’t.
Same with HDMI, of course. If you need to connect something requiring a certain HDMI standard, you need sa cable certified to that standard. If you do not, a higher spec cable isn’t doing anything.
Who would have thought!
No, it’s not. Unless you are running a recording studio and need to keep multiple converters, DAWs, etc. in sync, the one and only clock that counts is the clock in the DAC (well, if you are stupid enough to use I2S connection, you need an accurate clock in the source, although jitter over I2S connection will clobber it anyway).
Where exactly does jitter come in play in asynchrounous transmission? Audiophiles learned to be afraid of jitter back in the day of synchronous connections over S/PDIF (even though jitter has to be atroviously bad to be actually audible). With modern DACs doing ASRC anyway, and asynchronous USB connections available, jitter is a non-issue unless you DAC is timed off of grandfather’s clock.
On the network side, of course, jitter does not apply at all, and people selling “audiophile switches” with clock inputs do it for one and only one reason – to part the stupid with their money.
“Audiophile” switches are the cheapest off-the shelf budget switch, possibly with a few caps replaced with something bigger and shinier, stuffed in a fancy box. Does wonders for vendor margins, but that’s about it.
Buy either reputable consumer brands, or appropriate commercial models (which might have better warranties, better build, etc.). And never buy things you do not understand. Most people should steer clear of managed switches and stuff like that because it is very easy to break things if you do not know what oyu are doing.
Heh. This seems to be a very complicated idea to comprehend for some people here, but the actual Cat7 standard (which has no practical purpose in presence of Cat6a and Cat8, and is dead for all practical purposes) states that you can plug a normal RJ-45 (i.e. Cat5, Cat6, Cat8 etc) cable into Cat7 equipment, but you can not plug a Cat7 cable into an RJ-45 jack. If it does plug, it’s a fake “Cat7.”
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Not sure what you mean by internet priority vs port priority since its a switch…
CAT 7 = GG45 connector
CAT 5 - 8 = RJ45 connector
Boris.
Perhaps you’d be happier hanging out over at ASR?
You clearly are not paying attention.
Also you clearly have never worked w large clusters of servers in either a Big Data or HPC environment.
In terms of audio… what components in your chain have clocks… besides your network switch.
And also had you paid attention the people who make audiophile switches. do actually use better components. BTW all of the componets are COTS including the femto clocks… which is why they aren’t that expensive these days.
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Could be TERA, too. Of course does not plug into RJ-45 either.
At least people there have IQ above double digits, which is more than can be said about an average Rose user.
Indeed, I do not pay attention to nonsense. And nonsense is what you have this irresistible compulsion to spew.
Having pulled a 10BASE-2 cable once 40 years ago does not qualify you as an expert on data centers.
You do realize that every computer has a clock, do you?
Obviously you have never opened up any “audiophile” gadget. As was mentioned, nice fiolks like the Silent Swindler might put in fancy caps or something else that does not matter, because they have a vague idea what those are. They do not make any network switching equipment because they have no idea what a network is and how Ethernet works. Of course they (or you) don’t know how capacitors work either so quite often their modifications make it work worse than the original. Nor do they need to. All that is needed is there being a sufficient pool of ignorant people who can be sold a repackaged AliExpress switch at 10,000% mark-up. Just like slapping a “Cat7” label on what is, if you’re lucky, a Cat6a cable allows them to sell you a generic cable at a good mark-up and laugh all the way to the bank.
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