The Decision Tree needs to be improved

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#10

Pappaduke,

Well said. I don’t think its any surprise that you are seeing the very slow progress on updates. Many others have said the same thing as well. As I have said, HiFi Rose’s huge lead in combining video with software has been squandered by delay and mainland China companies (EverSolo and others in Shenzhen,) are producing something very close at a fraction of the cost of a Rose device.
While I appreciate new gear, the existing products must be properly supported. I’ve said many times that when software is up and running in a stable form, you have reached the halfway point in development costs. The other fifty percent of development costs is expended in making it intuitive, user friendly and polished.

StandardModel

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#11

After a few weeks I came the same conclusion. Using Roon is instant solution and saves a lot of time and energy. Hifi Rose is a very, very good product but only in combination with Roon IMHO

#12

Again Hi @StandardModel,

I plan on buying RS130 in late-2025. I’ll be using the android RoseConnect Premium app.

Out of curiosity: Has the RoseConnect Premium app been improved to address all or any of the user interface issues you noted in your 1st post of this topic?

#13

joyofmvid,

Some, but not all by any means. I don’t know if it’s the fact that I’m getting used to the RoseConnect quirks or that there have been some changes makes me feel more positive. The decision tree is really “baked in” and it would take a real start from scratch rewrite to fix it. So no, not really in that area.

The changes I see more relate to making actions more consistent among various lists. After all, what we’re dealing with are a series of database queries. I have had problems with both the consistency of query searches and what filtering is available within a query result They are gradually cleaning this up. Each version is a little better. Still, there’s a long way to go. Fundamental errors are really hard to fix without a complete rewrite.
As it is, there is a very steep learning curve but once you get there it does work. To give just one example, It took me a year to figure out that there is s tiny little icon in the bottom right hand corner that must be clicked to get to the currently playing radio station screen. Why, when you select a station to play, you just don’t go to that full screen is beyond me. Another example that I’m still working out is when you select an album to play, the first song will play but then all future songs will be from some other unrelated list. I’m sure there must be a setting somewhere to play the songs in the album seriatim but I sure can’t find it. It should default to all songs in the album playing one after the other. I get the feeling that the programmers don’t listen to music so they don’t program the app in the way that a music listener would expect.

Nevertheless and despite my very long learning curve (I guess I belong in the short bus at least according to Boris) I really like the graphics in the app and it does work in spite of its quirks.

StandardModel

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#14

@ROSEHAN

See StandardModel’s post. Please talk to HiFi Rose’s high level development management and like that which was done in 2024 for the scan/rescan functions (i.e., a full redesign/redevelopment-effort) should be planned for the HiFi Rose User Interface software ← for the redesigned User Interface, also consider upgrading the Android 7.1 Operating System to a Linux combination with Android 14.

#15

@StandardModel
We are aware of your request and we are continuing to develop in a positive direction.

If you want to add all tracks from an album to a playlist, that is possible.
Please select the album you want to add to a playlist in the RoseConnect app.
Then, tap the three-dot icon marked in red in the image below, and you will see the option to add to a playlist.

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#16

Rosehan,

Thank you for your quick response. I knew there had to be a way to play all the tracks in an album. Going from the end of the first track in an album to playing a random track not in the album seems counterintuitive and something a vanishingly small percentage of users would want <0.
Making a user take the additional steps of selecting the three dots menu and then further selecting the rest of the tracks in an album to play them next adds unnecessary complexity.
I liken playing the first track in the Rose album player to when when one puts the tonearm on the first track on a record player. The record player then plays all the tracks one after the other. This should be the default action when one opens an album and plays the first song on the HiFi Rose software.
The first rule of programming to me is that the default action should be what most users would select next. Obviously, when you open an album, the default action should be to play the tracks in the album one after the other with no user intervention just like in a record player.

StandardModel

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#17

I don´t understand about what you are complaining. If you want to play a complete album then you press the play key and it is fully reproduced. If you press only on the first track then it is assumed that you want to play only that track and this is what happens. No track of a different disc is played later unless you have the “recommended queue” on. Put if off and you will hear only the selected track.

The three dots options cover all or almost all interesting possible choices. Especially useful to me is “clear the queue and play from here” when hearing a very long album in several sessions (an opera, for example).

#18

I agree with this. It gets me every time :laughing:

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#19

alberto,

Thank you for correcting me. Can you please tell me how to stop the “recommended Queue”.

StandardModel

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#21

The recommended queue is at the bottom of the queue just after the “ordinary” one. To the right of “Recommended queue” it appears “Auto play” and it is possible to select “on” or “off”. I think it is “on” by default, which is, in my opinion, a bit absurd, but it is easy to change,

#22

@ROSEHAN
Comments noted in this topic’s track are the type of things that need to be reported to the head of the UIF Development team. At minimum (regarding the above 2 posts), report the following two things:

  1. set default of Recommended Queue to OFF

  2. Change UIF for one click play Album (re: @StandardModel’s post at The Decision Tree needs to be improved - #16 by StandardModel)

@ROSEHAN

Please re-read all posts in this topic and report all the unintuitive things people have stated. If all unituitive UIF comments (from all topics) are reported to the UIF Development Team & resolved by end of 2025, HiFi Rose’s owner base will be happy puppies (echoing the great news world-wide; thus, influencing many more buyers and many more distributors).

#23

joyofmvid,

I have suggested this before but it didn’t go anywhere. HiFi Rose doesn’t seem interested in producing a user manual for the software. Perhaps we could do a Wikipedia for the software on a subsection of this forum so that a user could find out how the various functions (and inscrutable icons) in the software can be clearly explained. Do you think that it’s feasible and that people would contribute to it or that it would help users?

StandardModel

#24

That’s a good idea. I’ve never entered anything on Wikipedia so I don’t know if screenshots can be entered, table of contents cyberlinks, etc.

I know by creating the RS130 User Interface topic, there’s a lot of complexities in the UIF. If the UIF is simplier and consistent, creating a User Manual would be easier.

BTW, I can help only as an editor because I don’t yet own the RS130. Currently, I’m planning on buying the RS130 & possibly the RD160 in late-2025.

I suggest it’s best we keep encouraging HiFi Rose to continue improving the UIF (simplifying, making UIF more intuitive & consistent).

As an interim, we could see if 3 community members are willing to each create a community topic for the RoseConnect premium app - one topic for the Android app, one for the ios app & one for the windows app. These topics to describe the user interface starting from the Home page and then describe the interactive layout and the interactive icons on the Home Page. Then describe the interactions to go from Home to “select Music”. Lastly (for now), describe the Music screen layout & interactive icons.

This will be a lot of work. I’m willilly to do cut & paste from the topics to a PDF document (maybe HiFi Rose can provide space & link to the User Manual PDF document)

The above is just a few thoughts.

#25

joyofmvid,

I wasn’t suggesting we do a real Wiki, just a separate topic in this forum which listed each function or icon (ala three dots) and explained what it did and how to use it. Everybody would be free to add to it.
As it is, It’s really hard to find out if a question has been answered before. I’m sure Rosehan has answered the same question hundreds of times. A central organized place where all questions could be answered would be great. Organization would be the key. I would propose that there be a picture of each screen in each program with numbers linked to each variable on a given screen which would be explained below the picture. Do you have any better ideas for organization?

StandardModel

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#26

What you’re suggesting is developing a website. Here, you’re on a forum with topics and posts.
How do you plan to proceed then?

#27

I definitely like the idea. Since I have not yet purchased a HiFi Rose, I won’t be able to help. Let me know if you desire me to do something ← I’m willing to put effort for this cause.

#28

domrol,

Well if you’re suggesting Hypertext Transfer Protocol isn’t available to users inside the HiFi Rose website forum, I agree. That’s why I suggested using the very old fashioned method we all had to deal with: pictures, drawings and numbered footnotes. Old school for sure but still works.

StandardModel

#29

You can create cyberlinks to topics or to a specific post. Hence, I think its doable.