Hi
there is a significant difference in sound, depends what you look after (more precisions and details or better timing and emotion). I recommend you to go with your unit to a Rose dealer and compare directly.
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Hello, I don’t have to go to a Rose dealer. I have and have been using a Rose RS 150B, the Rose reference streamer, at home for three years. And for the past few days, I’ve been thinking that the EverSolo DMP-A10 streamer is a class above the rest, having bought it for my system. You just need to set the DMP-A10 to the optimal hardware settings, and the sound is superb. The way EverSolo managed to implement the ES9039SPRO with its super-precise clocks and the quality of the electronics used puts it in first place among complete streamers. Unfortunately, Rose has now lost. And the Eversolo app is several times better than Rose Contact. That’s the objective truth.
Wilk
This isn’t objective truth, only your truth, and these are two different things. Of course, everyone has the right to write what they like, but I’m not arguing that the ES is a class-leading device; that’s a rather frivolous statement. A class-leading device would be, for example, the Lumin X1 or the Aurender A20, which will eat the Rose Gold and Ever Solo for breakfast, but they’re expensive. I don’t know anyone, and I’m on several audio forums, and no one raves about the Ever Solo. You might like it, like any other device, but it’s nothing special. Moreover, the depreciation will be significant after a few years if you decide to sell it. After selling my RS 250 after four years, I lost around 26-28%.
The objective truth about the EverSolo app is confirmed by many users. I use it myself now and rate RoseHiFi as weaker and unstable. As for comparing the Lumin X1 or Aurender A20, the Aurender A20 isn’t a streamer, it’s a music server. The Lumin is in a different price range; it’s more than twice the price of the RS150B, and I’m not convinced it’s that great. As for investment, streamers are a very poor investment (they last 3 to 5 years and need to be replaced due to changes in streaming platforms). And the DMP-A10 is very affordable at €3,800.
The objective truth is that most of these, whether priced as EverSolo, or as Lumin (which is another company selling to clowns who believe in fuses and power cords, although with better build and support) generally have identical performance. With some exceptions, like the RD160 where Rose decided to deviate from a reference design and came up with something quite mediocre, they all perform exactly the same.
Subjective impressions are great for making you happy ebout spending more (or less) on your gear, but aren’t worth jack for anyone else. And not one of you will tell Rose from EverSolo from Aurender (or from anything actually expensive) if you won’t see the price tag.
Hi, you’re absolutely right. I also believe that a price exceeding 10,000 Euro for a device is only acceptable to crazy believers in the “diamond cable” theory. To achieve minimal interference and distortion during streaming, all digital processing and conversion to analog signal must be contained in a single device. Whoever does this better and at the same time cheaper will win the consumer market. I spoke with a large audio retailer in Katowice (an area with a population of about 5 million) and he informed me that as of January 2025, they now have the same sales volume of Eversolo as McIntosh. Price-wise, McIntosh is 2.5 times more expensive than EverSolo. And it will always be this way, that for some audiophiles, passion turns into an addiction of financial self-destruction, ending with the purchase of “diamond cables.”
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In all this discussion about the nuances of hardware and software, we’re missing the point: streaming has given us absolute freedom in choosing music. If it weren’t for this, we’d still be listening to vinyl records or CDs. But in reality, digital is in conflict with analog transmission. Digital will always be just an approximation of analog. The world is entirely analog. Greetings from the royal city of Krakow.
Depending on a specific product type, the price limit might be closer to 500 dollars/euro or something, but yes, those are purely Veblen goods and are bought because they are expensive, not because they are good.
And there you have Wiim and the likes which are doing just fine in consumer space. Audiophiles are a different story and will pay significantly more for a worse system because it gives them a warm and fuzzy feeling. There certainly is some premium worth paying for a better looking, more featured device, and the big screen on the Rose might count. Has nothing to do with sound quality though…
EverSolo really seems to be following in Rose’s footsteps in this regard and now makes rather overpriced products with tons of useless (clock inputs, I2S, etc.) features that appeal to people who don’t know better, rather than straightforward well-performing gear at a reasonable price that they started with.
Not sure how it will play out not that Mac is owned by Bose, but at least they are known for build quality and good support. And they have the consistent iconic look many people like. That might be worth something.
While technically true (unless you want to go to a level of electric charge of a single quark or something), within some orders of magnitude better than the limits of human hearing, readily available digital transmission is for all practical purposes indistinguishable from the original.
Analog components (that is, speakers and the room they are in) are far more important than anything one would do on the digital side.
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"While technically speaking this is true (unless we want to achieve the electric charge of a single quark or something similar), it is still several orders of magnitude better than human hearing, and commonly available digital transmission is in practice indistinguishable from the original. ,…
It’s not so beautiful; digital processing always involves voltage samples, meaning there’s never any continuity. We already have the tools to almost exactly recreate analog material from digital (and vice versa), but there are still serious problems with “mass” interference and clock frequency fluctuations. But these are actually unnoticeable for many. Nevertheless, people like me can discover a lot by hearing. Here we’re already in the details, details, but very expensive ones. And we’re slowly reaching the level of “diamond wires.” Personally, I think that looking at the development of digital systems, it’s worth changing streamers every few years to keep up with the development. For me, it’s been two years with the Cocktail Audio N25, three years with the Rose 150B, and now two weeks with the DMP-A10. I’ve had the same, well-honed analog system for several years now. I alternate between listening to vinyl, CDs, and streaming.
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Wolf,
How do you find the sound comparing the HiFi Rose 150B to the Eversolo DMP- A10?
StandardModel
I first listened to the DMP-A10 on October 27, 2025, at the large AUDIO VIDEO SHOW trade fair in Warsaw. In the next room, Rose was presenting their latest RS130 and RD160. I changed rooms and repertoire a few times because I couldn’t believe the Chinese EverSolo sounded so good. I ordered it at the trade fair. And now I’ve been marveling at the sound of the DMP-A10 at home for the past few days. It’s a level better than the RS150B (that doesn’t mean the Rose is weak—it’s excellent). The DMP-A10 is already high-tech. And the EverSolo Tidal Connect app is 200% better than RoseHiFi. I’ll now be keeping a close eye on selected Chinese manufacturers. They’re making great progress. Then, at the Audio Video Show, they showed the DMP-A10 with a glass cover, and my jaw dropped at how incredibly well-designed it is. I’m an electronics engineer by profession, and I’ve been involved in audio since my youth, and I have great respect for Chinese engineers. Try to evaluate its sound yourself, it just takes a few hours to set the optimal parameters, and then let me know. Best regards.
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Wolf,
I’m retired but my education was as an EE in computers but then as my father who was also an EE said, I went off the tracks and went to law school and became a patent attorney. I’m certainly not a musician so my expertise (if I have any) is in hardware and software, not in music. I have been jumping up and down on this forum for two years about two things. First the Chinese will start cheap but very quickly they will go up market and copy the HiFi Rose so while it has brilliant ideas, the Chinese competition won’t be far behind. The Chinese used to make poor Alibaba copies but now their electronics expertise is second to none and they move quickly. They have copied all of the good things in the RS 130 and RD 160 and gone them one better in terms of both specifications and features except for the big screen.
Secondly, because HiFi Rose only makes the hardware and outsources the software development they can’t move quickly in that area and their software - RoseConnect although stable, is an Eaton Mess in terms of a modern decision tree. I have four HiFi Rose devices and am a real FanBois but they are wearing me down. This last issue with what I feel is a lack of transparency concerning their inability/refusal to enable Tidal and Spotify lossless connect plus not disclosing this to the existing users is very disappointing. So maybe I’ll take a hard listen. BTW does the Eversolo have the ability to project its screen to an output device like a big screen TV as HiFi Rose does? That’s a feature I really like.
Some on this forum have said that the Eversolos break and have a harsh sound IDK. I think you might disagree with them.
StandardModel
Standard Model as I’m sure you recognize is a reference to the standard model of particle physics for the four fundamental forces.
On the digital side. Analog output is continuous by definition. If one is so inclined, it’s ratherr trivial to draw the “ideal” analog output from the raw PCM data by hand and compare it with an oscilloscope to what a DAC outputs.
That’s a common misconception. Sure we all would want to be able to hear a 0.1dB difference at 40kHz. But we don’t. And properly designed tests run by real scientists had been quite conclusive on the matter of what is and what is not audible and how (answer – in no way at all) it correlates with the device price.
And that shows. Stick to chasing ambulances.
First of all, if EverSolo copied anyone, it was Nova Fidelity. And so did HiFi Rose (what novel ideas does Rose present, exactly, that weren’t in Cocktail Audio devices ~20 years ago?), but nowhere as well as EverSolo, although they did get the screen bigger (it helps when your sugar daddy is a major maker of large-scale display panels).
If only… At best, they assemble reasonably fine copies of a reference design, all from off the shelf parts. At worst they try to do some engineering and end up with something like 180 or 160 which really are rather embarrassing.
Which is utter BS, but exactly the kind of meaningless drivel one expects from people saying “Chi-Fi.”
When oyu are trying to pretend that you have some idea about physics, you look even more pathetic than when you come across as just a moderately successful ambulance chaser who’s sure that having a bit of money makes his Very Important Opinion worth something.
Stick to being known as standardmoron and keep listening to the MiniDSP (which at least is a well-engineered piece) while believing you hear something magivcal coming from your 160. Not that one could hear anything good from Poop-poori speakers, of course.
“This last issue, which I believe is the lack of transparency regarding the inability/refusal to enable lossless connectivity between Tidal and Spotify, as well as the lack of information provided to current users, is very disappointing.”
My experience with RoseHiFi is very disappointing. Initially, I had to create my Tidal libraries mainly on my smartphone because the RoseHiFi app kept crashing, and now it’s unstable. The device itself also freezes, requiring a power reset. What the EverSolo developers have done is very stable and practically configures itself upon startup. And it gets even better. I don’t have any experience with other EverSolo products. This one is top-of-the-line.
As for the standard model, the “diamond cable” is the audio grawiton.
Wolf,
Grab one of those gravitons, put it in a bottle and deliver it to the Royal Swedish Academy in Stockholm and they will exchange it for a small but very exclusive prize.
StandardModel
Thanks for the advice.
I’ll probablgy do that.
Stockholm isn’t far from me.
What associated equipment was the DMP-A10 running through vs the Rose 130/160 at the audio show? And how close were the volume levels matched? It is my experience that the room acoustics / speakers / amps and volume level play a larger role in the sound of a system than a DAC. Mind you, I did not say the DAC was or was not for your preference of the Eversolo over the HiFi Rose stuff, just that there are other important considerations.
Buddy, what you’re asking is as obvious to me as 2 x 2 = 4. What I heard at the trade show was the impetus for my decision to buy the DMP-A10. The fact that there were other Rose systems at the show, including Luxman and EverSolo with their AMP-F10, is irrelevant, because at home, using the same implementation, EverSolo completely defeated Rose. I have a decent setup: a Luxman L-550AXII (class A) amplifier and Chario Aviator Cielo speakers, powered by a DirectStream Power Plant P12 current regenerator. Since I only replaced the streamer, the conditions are the same and the audio material was the same. I was also surprised by how good the DMP-A10 sounds. But that’s just my opinion. I’d like others to try it out for themselves. I’d be happy to hear their opinions.
P.S. I’ve been an audiophile for 45 years. At 15, I built my first audio system myself: an EL84 amplifier and passive radiator speakers. This was during the communist era in Poland and the Iron Curtain. No brand-name audio equipment was available in Poland back then.
So, as an electronics engineer, I can provide a complete assessment. Despite my great appreciation for the Rose RS 150B, which I played for three years, the EverSolo DMP-A10 wins by a landslide.
I don’t have a horse in this race. I am less than happy with my 130 and I have been clear on this. The sound quality was and is not my issue but rather the software and sound continuity problems. Inertia is my issue with disposing of the unit. I have considered the T8 as a simple and relatively inexpensive means to a plug and play switchout.
Didn’t mean to offend you and am happy for the joy that music has brought you all of these years. I don’t have any hands on experience with a Rose DAC, and never will. I just wanted to hear about your apples to apples comparison.
So thanks for that, buddy.
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Let me repeat once again, this isn’t an objective truth. Anyone can say this about their device, whether they own a Lumin, Aurender, Esoteric, DCS, etc. Some like it, others don’t…
An objective truth is, for example, that you can’t swim in Lake Victoria, the largest lake in Africa, because there are crocodiles in it. This is an objective truth because it applies to all tourists who visit there, not just those from a single country.
And as I wrote earlier, we can’t speak of any higher level, because for many, the ES sounds worse. Sales in stores in my country are average, to put it mildly. The lower models sell because they’re cheap. And the 10a itself would sell even less if it weren’t a Chinese product, because then it would be more expensive. And since the Chinese government subsidizes everything, the price can be lower than the competition.
What’s probably better about Ever Solo is the Roon service and perhaps Connect. My friends and I who bought the RS 151 don’t use it, so we don’t need it, and I won’t comment on that because I haven’t tested it. However, we all liked the Rose better in terms of sound, and the app itself is comparable for us. It’s a matter of preference. I know some people who think the Lumina has the coolest app, but for me it’s definitely not. It’s quite specific, but people like Luminas, and they sell a lot, and they’re really cool toys. The Lumin P1, P1 mini, X1 (and its successor, the X2, is already out), Aurender A15, and A20 aren’t music servers, but full-fledged streaming players with preamplifier capabilities. The Lumin P1, Aurender A15, not to mention the Lumin X1 and Aurender A20 are much better devices than the Rose or Ever Solo. Of course, they cost a lot more, but that’s the truth, and you’d have to be deaf not to hear it. Whether the price reflects what you hear is another matter entirely. Those who can’t afford them won’t buy them. It’s simple, but sonically, these devices are better, and significantly better in some respects.
Personally, if streaming were my primary source, which it isn’t, as CDs are my primary source, my choice would probably fall on the Aurender A15 or the Lumin X1, or its successor, the X2, which will be available in stores soon. So, my choice as a second source, from among several devices I’ve listened to several times in stores and at home, was the Rose RS 151. To this day, I don’t regret it, as they pair beautifully with my Accuphase. Although my first choice will always be a CD player.
Finally, listening and comparing sound at various music shows is completely pointless, because even depending on the room, there are differences in sound. Plus, there are different speakers, electronics, repertoire, and cables. How can you judge sound in such conditions? I can’t imagine buying a device based on what I hear at such a music show. It’s a disgrace. You choose equipment by listening to it in listening rooms in stores, preferably in several stores, and then you borrow what you think is best, listen to it in your own system, and then make your choice based on that.