Which Streamer/Transport has the best software

Function RoseConnect
#14

Sebrof,

While you are certainly free to quibble with the use of the word crippled I think you would have to agree that there is a great disparity between the quality of the Hifi Rose hardware and component design versus the user software (RoseConnect). I have, however acknowledged that the RoseConnect software is stable and it is.

As I have said, it comes so close. Where are the problems? DLNA is only functional as an end point speaker. Most free DLNA programs find and catalog all music files on the same network and allow a user to select and play songs directly. Not RoseConnect.
RoseConnect won’t go out on its connected network and catalog, log into and play music stored on other drives. You have to specify the exact path and even then it’s quirky.

RoseConnect will not let a user organize his/her preferences for most menu items. I’d like my preferences to be first and the ability to include or exclude lists from others. RoseTube won’t let me put my selections on the opening page. I see things like K-Pop that are displayed first and I can’t get rid of them.

The user defined radio stations won’t permit station favicons.

RoseConnect won’t permit a user to simply click on a song in the Queue and play it (other than the first one). The Queue can’t be modified, only reversed or deleted. The decision trees are often illogical. I could go on and on but you get the idea. I can go all the way down to Korean Language characters in the English version and misspelled words. There are issues not only with the current features but look at the frequency of upgrades and paucity of new features implemented. Finally, show me the RoseConnect user manual. There isn’t one. Take a hard look at a sub $1,000 streamer like EverSolo and compare their software to RoseConnect. Eversolo wins. All that said, I am an owner and supporter of HiFi Rose. I want it to improve and to be the best. I’m hanging in there hoping the user software will at some point equal the quality of the hardware and the sound/video.

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#15

Yes it seems I misunderstood your use of the word cripple, I imagined you wanting to throw your iPad across the room :slight_smile:

I don’t use my Rose with DNLA so I don’t see any of those types of issues.

I have also noticed that there is no way to organize/sort many of the lists as you mentioned, agree that that is very inconvenient and seems like it would be an easy fix.

Regarding the queue, as I mentioned above I can select any song in the queue and tap it, that song will play and the queue will be played from that song and keep playing through the queue.
Also I can sort the queue songs (example I can move the 5th song to play next, I can move the next song in the queue to the end of the queue, or whatever), I can delete individual songs, etc. Again this is on an iPad, I’m not sure if you are using a different device and maybe that’s the issue??

I haven’t used the Eversolo software but I have used the ones I mentioned in my previous post and to me, the way I use these devices, there isn’t a lot of difference between them all.
My friends come over, I briefly describe how to find music, how to add songs to the queue,etc., and it’s all good. They’ve never complained or got confused. For reference, One friend uses Innuos and the other uses Roon in their systems.

#16

If you ever add a new file to your internal SSD you have to do a rescan of your music library so that the new music is added to the Rose music library database, otherwise you wouldn’t find the new music with Rose Connect. Instead you have to navigate via Folder view directly to the new music files (then you have to know exactly where it’s located).

Main problem is that their is a massive difference in duration of the first scan from scratch and the 2nd, 3rd …. scan (rescan). The rescan is 10 times slower, in my case 30h vs 3h for a 80k music file library. Just for one added music album…

#17

Sebrof,

Thank you for your thoughtful response. I haven’t been able to: "sort the queue songs (…example I can move the 5th song to play next, I can move the next song in the queue to the end of the queue, or whatever), I can delete individual songs, etc. "

Can you text search the Queue? For example can you search for a song named “Valentine” in the Queue by typing in the word? How are you searching the Queue? When you move songs in the Queue are you using a mouse drag and drop? Are you deleting songs by right mouse click?

TIA

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#18

Thanks renderjoe. I haven’t added music to my SSD which I’m sure is why I haven’t run into this issue. I believe I saw a post by the Rose team within the last day or so saying this would be addressed in Q4 2024…Ouch, that’s a long time.

#19

Standardmodel, I only use RoseConnect with an iPad.

See the screenshot below. On the iPad the queue moves to the right to hide, or moves left to view (it is moved left in the screenshot). I can tap any song and it will play from that song and continue playing the next songs in the queue. The trash can icon allows me to delete what I want, the up/down icon allows me to move the songs, and I haven’t figured out what the 3rd icon (looks like a file folder??) is for.

So by your question (searching, etc.) it seems that RoseConnect is very different on your laptop vs. my iPad.

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RS130 User Interface
#20

Sebrof,

It obviously works for you. I’ve asked Rosehan about this feature and he said it was on their list to add.
I have to learn more. I guess I’ll re-read the manual :grinning:

Just curious. Can you perform those same Queue functions on the Rose device itself that you can on an iPad?

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#21

Hi Standardmodel, yes I can do those actions in the queue on the front panel of the RS130. It all looks very similar except when I pull up the queue it is on a separate screen, as opposed to the iPad where the queue is a pull-over from the right. Otherwise exactly the same.
Enough digital, now it’s time to play some records :slight_smile:

#22

Roon Nucleus has the best software… by far.

#23

Tyler,

I agree. I haven’t tried them all but so far, Roon has the best software by far. It’s more comprehensive than just combining various other music services into one or making music libraries easier to search. They actually add interesting content about the history and background of the music you like. Also, they (unlike RoseConnect) don’t force unwanted music content on you. Still, I’m concerned about Harmon’s acquisition. They might change course. We’ll see.
That said, I still prefer HiFi Rose for its unparalleled ability to combine high quality video with music. Nobody else comes close to those combined capabilities.

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#24

According the latest News from Roon, they are going back to their roots, concentrating again on local music collections, and they gave up on the always on internet requirement.

More about this can be found here: https://blog.roonlabs.com/

#25

30 hrs for a re-scan? wow.
on my Roon Server, the Re-scan takes less than 1 minute, to scan around 145000 files (Collection is around 127000 Titles, the rest is double stuff.
In addition, Roon does additions in real-time - I can’t even switch fast enough the screen, the new album is already here.

my Rose Server is based on Intel i7 13th Gen, 64 GB RAM, and a 10 GB/s connection to my NAS.
But beside Rose Server, it is my daily working machine, and also has some SQL Databases for other programs running.

And with Roon, my RS150 turns on automatically, and I can turn it OFF from the App.
I have a 1 TB SSD built in, for testing purposes, and stored some music and DSD ISO Files (to check funtionality. But I did never did a re-scan. I have wiped my disc recently - so currently it does only caching (if I’m not wrong).

#26

I have ROON too, that’s complete another beast, scan times on ROON are negible. But ROSE has a enormous difference between (slow) scan times for the first scan (3h for 80k files) and (super slow) rescan (10 times longer, around 30h for 80k files). But they announce a massive improvement for scan/rescan until end of the year.

#27

Due to the 4 TB limitation, my collection would never fit for local. I’ll probably keep my 150, and don’t care anymore about the RS130. I’ll plan to retire end of 24 and after that, it’s over with spending and buying whatever I want :wink:
I’m happy the way it sounds now, and I also have lots of records to play over my setup.

#28

i have a roon nucleus+ and an RS130 with fiber sfp. i listen to both. there is zero difference in sound quality between the two. they are fed into a Chord MScaler and DAVE dac, then to an Ayre AX-5 Twenty and then to Perlisten s5T speakers. digital cables are kimber d60 and all other cables are cardas clear or clear beyond. the rose doesnt sound better AND its buggy. roon ALWAYS plays flawlessly.

#29

IMHO Sonos has the best user experience. By far the worst is BluOS / Bluesound, loads of bugs and terrible support. Naim is oke and comparable to Rose.

#30

J’ai un Rose RS250A et j’avais déjà un Cocktail Audio X50D. Pour un besoin de transport seul sans DAC il n’y a pas photo, après 1 an de tatonnement environ le X50D a maintenant un logiciel digne de ce nom pour toutes les fonctions dont j’ai besoin. Gestion et traitement de la base de données notamment (j’ai 2,4 To de musique sur les disques). En outre tout est intégré 2 DDur intégré amovibles avec fonctionnement en RAID, lecteur de CD intégré. Aucun autre équipement à ma connaissance ne rassemble toutes ces fonction à ce prix (quand je l’ai acheté moins de 2000 €).
Je ne comprends pas pourquoi ce produit n’est pas plus répandu.
J’espère qu’un jour le RS250A atteindra ce niveau de logiciel.

#31

Rose’'s Queue function pulls in lists of songs "playlists"from other user subscribed services such as iTunes (Apple Music), etc. I have at least fifty playlists in Apple Music. Which one(s) does Queue import?.

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#32

When I go into the Qobuz section of RoseConnect I see all of my Qobuz playlists. I don’t use iTunes or any other service so I don’t know about those.
But I don’t see this as having anything to do with the Queue in RoseConnect.

#33

Sebrof,

OK, then I misunderstand the composition of the Queue. I thought it was the aggregate of the playlist(s) in each of the services identified by the tiny icons in a vertical list next to (on the left hand side) of the Queue, ir iTunes, etc… If not that then what are the constituents of Queue. In other words, of what or how is the Queue list comprised? How does one add to or delete items in the Queue?

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