HIFI Rose merely a hobby brand or a serious business, that is the question?

[BorisM]

Yeah, yeah, prove me a negative. That’s not how it works.

And some DACs are affected by some noise on the signal input. Now, show a proof, either a DBT or measurements showing difference above audibility, that external clocks, fiber, LPS, etc. make any difference. Or that someone really did hear differences between any well-measuring DACs. Hans and Darko blathering about blacker blacks and lifted veils in whatever new thing they got for free does not count.

I’ll wait.

Oh, and any explanation how noise affects digital processing (0s and 1s coming in, 0s and 1s coming out).

[fittebd]

Ah so you don’t have to prove your side but doubt anything on the other side

I pointed to my proof and your reply was to insult them and anyone that does not agree with. Arguing with you is like wrestling a pig. All you get is muddy and the pig loves mud. Done

[BorisM]

Have you stopped beating your wife? Have you? Yes or no?

Sorry, I have no interest in engaging in logical fallacies.

You’ve made some claims that just betray total lack of understanding how things work. Arguing with someone who says that digital processing is affected by noise (well, below the point where components are working outside of spec and bits start to get flipped) is like arguing with someone saying that the Earth is flat because they see it from the window.

Appealing to “authority” of some paid for reviewer isn’t providing a proof, it’s just showing that you can’t chose reliable sources.

[fittebd]

[BorisM]

Looks like you are enjoying yourself.

I’d rather listen to some music, but to each his own.

[fittebd]

Like most threads here you don’t follow. That’s fine the rest of us got it right.

[Bonte]

@BorisM

Looks like you are enjoying yourself.

LoL…

@fittebd

Like most threads here you don’t follow. That’s fine the rest of us got it right.

Boris, he already understood, the man is not stupid!!!

He countered again in the classic way.

[BorisM]

Yeah looks like you got the mud part just fine. Digital audio not so much, but it’s OK, someone needs to be buying ethernet cleaners and keeping crooks employed.

[Burle]

@BorisM

Hans is a typical audio whore, too ugly for OnlyFans, but still wanting to be paid for doing no more work than spreading his legs. Also, appeal to “authority” is a fallacy.

This is a quote from Hans video about ethernet cables and switches. I do not know to laugh or to cry. Guy has declared 100.000 followers (but I think 90% are bots), it has bots writing acclamed comments and does not allow any critic comment (all coments are filtered, like many flat earth channels). He is professional salesman… You can see from miles that it is a fraud.

The question:

“Should buffering not solve the jitter issue that you mention? If I disconnect my player from the network it continues playing till buffer is empty and there is no jitter influence anymore”.

The answer:

"If jitter on incoming signal was a problem, buffering might help. But in contrast what I believed in the past this is not the case. And buffering as such could introduce additional jitter if electronic design is not done extremely good. For instance: if power rail feeding the buffer is not 100% stable and fast the power burb a state change causes, wil temporary lower the voltage and thus influence the treshold which lead to timing errors. The samo goes for flip-flops that are also used in digital equipment. This is quite common in mid class DACs and streamers. So even if the incoming digital signal would be optimal, jitter on the DAC chip might occur due to circuit limitations. The problem with buffers is that they are prone to the same phenomena as flip-flops and DAC chips. As soon as digital signal is in the isochronous domain, jitter introduced there can only be “reapaired” with high quality components used in very clever circuits. All the effect I mentioned before have their influence. Please read “Understanding how pertubations can affect sound quality without changing bits and how these issues are addressed by the Uptone EtherRegen”

[BorisM]

Good grief!

I wonder if he actually believes it himself (not that it made any sense) or just strings some random words together, then laughs all the way to the bank…

[SPaul]

The competition shows its fangs!
Matrix Audio unveiling three innovative products: two Digital Audio Transports Nt-1 and TT-1, and an Audio Grade Reference Clock SC-1.

[VIK]

Tidal Connect is also available.

Not bad, not bad…

[mfb]

May have to try one of these. I was eyeing the 151 but since I have added a Laiv DAC, don’t need an integrated solution. I did have the 150 and RS520. Currently using an ES DMP-A8 and connecting via I2S to the Laiv has really stepped up my listening enjoyment.

[duffer5]

@SPaul

Digital Audio Transports Nt-1

I saw the Digital Audio Transports Nt-1 from Matrix audio today in person. Wow, the real deal, this higher end digital transport space is heating up. The new sweet spot without compromises is between $2500 and $5000 USD. More options in the pipeline as well.

[SPaul]

Hi duffer5,

Does anything look familiar?

[SPaul]

It is the control unit of the dCS Varèse streamer/DAC, which has 4 more boxes next to it and costs around 300,000 EUR!!!

[duffer5]

Thanks for sharing @SPaul . I guess they say impersonation is the sincerest form of flattery.

[SPaul]

I think we have to admit that HiFi Rose was a real “game changer” in the streaming equipment market, which was dominated, until then, by streamers with small or no screens, with a few LEDs.
The fact that one of the market leaders has moved on to implementing large screens is likely to satisfy our pride a little…
It would be great if Hifi Rose could bring its customer service to the same level as its other competitors…
Let’s hear only good things.

[SPaul]

They also released a network player that looks very promising.
Review here: https://tw-my--hiend-com.translate.goog/性能、聲音全方位滿足-matrix-audio-ms-1數位串流播放機/?_x_tr_sl=zh-TW&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=zh-TW&_x_tr_pto=wapp

[Sirpopealot]

I am the owner of an RS520, RS130 and RD160 and I love them all. Sure, I’ve had a few issues along the journey, but all have been rectified to my satisfaction. I enjoy these components so much and they take both of my 2 channel systems to great heights with the tech and sound quality. Admittedly, I utilize Roon 90%of the time and I do agree that Rose Connect needs some work. That said, I am dedicated to the HiFi Rose brand. Three years ago I purchased a Marantz Model 30 integrated amp and matching SACD 30N. Both have been serviced under warranty and the Model 30 has failed again now (out of warranty). My experience with Marantz has been terrible. Nothing I have encountered with HiFi Rose is even close to as bad as Marantz. I don’t mean to bash Marantz, but facts are facts and they are an extremely established company with no excuses for such failures with premium products. Rose has been much more responsive and MoFi has been a pleasure to work with on the one occasion I needed them. This hobby isn’t for everyone, certainly not the impatient. Some owners of this level of tech probably shouldn’t be. I’m 59 years old and I have been in this hobby for a very long time. My overall experience with Rose products has been wonderful. I interact with and thoroughly enjoy my three Rose products every single day.