The strange is that Rose stated this kit is specific for the link between the RS130 and the RD160. Why is not working ?
I got the kit as well and it works perfectly without any issue.
Have you checked with the distributor or Rose staff here ?
how to contact them ?
One SFP has the handler coloured red and the other has the handler coloured of blue.
I have tried to swap them without success.
The RS130 try co connect for more than 5 minutes and at the end appears the message “NO DAC FOUND”.
Whit the Amphenol DAC Copper link everything is ok.
Yes, but it was Friday night in Italy, so I have to wait for next Monday.
Meanwhile I have made some tests.
The fiber optic received from Rose, checked with my laser light and measuring tools, is ok, but if connected to the SFP modules fails to link the RS130 and the RD160.
I have then replaced the Rose fiber optic with an Elfcam fiber optic purchased in Amazon for 12 Euros and … WOW … now the RS130 and the RD160 are perfectly connected.
I suppose the fiber optic received from Rose is of a wrong type, there are not tags on it to understand the model, or, in some way has a problem.
Hoping Rose will help me to understand what is wrong in their fiber optic, even if I have solved the problem with an extra charge of 12 €
Great. At least you are having the 130 and 160 connected now.
How does the fibre optics co.pare to the amphenol?
Hi 88hht,
I previously used the Amphenol DAC cable between the RS130 and RD 160. Which I was happy with. I then tried the FTLX1475D3BTL SFP modules with the Phoenix Contact LC to LC OS2 Single Mode Fibre Optic Cable, the difference was night and day. In my opinion the sound quality was better in every way, better separation, sound staging is better, bass was better and the noise floor was considerably better, highs and mids were more transparent and crisp without being fatigued.
On the whole a great upgrade without to much expense. The FSP modules and cable were £280.
Hope the above helps,
Many thanks
Thank you, I notice in the rs130 you can increase the pcm resampling to 384hz and the the rd160 dac upsample to 768hz, have you found any benefit to increase the sample on the rs130 or leave it as original?
Hi,
I have the re sampling on the 130 set to 384 KHz. If I am listening to PCM I have the 160 on bypass. I now mostly listen to DSD 512 through the 160. I have found if the re sample rate on the 130 is not set to 384KHz you cannot achieve DSD512 output on the 160.
Hope the above is helpful, happy listening
I’ve just got the Rose kit - setup was seamless following these instructions…
…I wonder if other people who have this kit have experienced. Does it need a run-in?
One of the SFP modules has a red tag on it, and the other has a blue tag on it - indicating a difference - but nothing in the manual about that. Anybody have any insight? …could be purely cosmetic - but would be a strange thing to do.
Here’s a pic:
I’ve not read the whole thread - but the people mention this kit positively…
…it’s super cheap - so not a risk to just buy one - but the run in feels like something that might put me off unless the benefits over the Rose branded kit are real. Views of those who have tried both MUCH appreciated.
My own view on the sound of the ROSE kit so far - compared to an expensive Cardas AES cable I was using - is that it’s definitely DIFFERENT - and I’m reserving judgement on it being BETTER. Let’s see post run in.
I upsample everything to DSD - which I find gives everything a lovely analogue sound - certainly on my previous AES connection - will experiment, but would be strange if this benefit didn’t carry forward.
Here is a pic of my connectivity…
Hi Matt
I see from your pics you are listening to DSD64, are you aware that if you set the re sample rate on the 130 to 384KHz you will be able to listen to DSD512 through the 160 .
Also the 130 looks like it is not set to USB fibre 3.0 output for the 160.
I wasn’t - but this is exactly the input I’m here for!
I’m investigating how to do that now
On this - I’ll look into it - I’d kind of expected that the routine the two boxes went through to handshake when I set this cable up would have optimised things?
(And thanks - this is exactly why I posted this pic!)
Glad to help, happy listening
So I think I’ve done the Sample Rate - if you could share your experience to verify I’ve got this optimised now - thankyou!
On the USB over fibre setting - I’m less clear - still looking - but I THINK I have it right as the manual says USB 3.0 Fibre changes to DAC RD160 when the connection is made - but any help as to how to optimise this if I’ve not is appreciated!
(I selected native DSD as I guessed that was better than the 130 converting to PCM only for the 160 to flip it back to upsampled DSD - I may be wrong though!)
All looks good to me.
Just for reference the native DSD setting is for playing/exporting original DSD files stored on local drives or NAS that are played from the original file. Therefore the native DSD setting will not affect the pcm output to the 160. The 160 converts the pcm to DSD.
All the best
Possibly a controversial opinion: but having listened extensively this weekend - I much prefer the sound of the 130 and 160 when they are connected via AES (admittedly via a pretty expensive Transparent Cables Reference connection - RRP £2500) than I do via the Rose SFP connection kit (RRP £100)
The SFP connection - to my ears - loses the timing, adds smear and all sounds a bit mushy and very digital.
The AES connection sounds more organic - has noticeably deeper bass - and the timing and “foot tap ability” is much stronger. I was a Naim Audio user for a long time - so this “groove factor” is important to me.
I mention the cost only in passing - as I fully expected the SFP to sound superior based on the engineering principles - so was both surprised and disappointed that I’m likely not selling my AES cable!
Anybody else tried both?
Interesting. If you have a normal cable, I’d be interested to hear your take on sound quality. I’m going to try it out, but I don’t have a multi-thousand dollar cable, nor am I willing to buy one.