Quick question have they changed the name of the filters and does anyone know what the fast roll off is now called
I received this table in an email from Rose
3 Likes
HiFi Rose team
Thanks for the upgrade firmware. It fixed the bass and gain output too much problems on my RS151. Now I can use volume level around 50 on my Goldmund system with the same RS151 preout setting volume gain set at 2000mV. Overall becomes more balanced. I was used max volume 35 on my Goulmund maximum in previous firmware. The output gain from RS151 was too powerful and too much on bass before.
I would like to learn what has been adjusted on the latest firmware. Please share with me.
Unfortunately, the album artwork still missing on playlists after added directly from Folder. This is old problems since years ago on my previous RS150b. Please fix it in next version of firmware update.
Many thanks!
In your case, the latest update hasn’t degraded the sound, and in fact, it’s better, based on what you’ve written. Don’t you notice a flat and bright sound?
Are you having any problems with the PIN code?
Some find sound degradation or improvement.
I find it damaging that HIFIROSE touches the audio characteristics.
We have often chosen our devices after various tests and we do not want these characteristics to be modified a priori
Do what is necessary for existing concerns without trying to change a sound signature
IIRC Rose came here and stated that none of their upgrades dealt with changing any audio characteristics.
It would be nice if there were release notes that identified what changes were made.
It is well indicated at the top of this post.
2 Likes
Yup, so it is…
Long scroll back to the top…
Guess what. Nothing changed that would impact the sound.
And that was the point.
(And you walk thru the posts… you’ll find one where they said the same.)
It is also damaging when people jump on the bandwagon of an internet stranger saying they hear something different when Rose says nothing they did changed the audio. Coupled of course with a lot of us having listened carefully and hear no difference.
3 Likes
I got this information from a private email, and I quoted it earlier in this thread, where the person from Rose claimed they hadn’t done anything about the DAC or the sound itself. So it’s hard to convince anyone that he’s misleading people. It doesn’t make sense and serves no purpose.
And today I bought Rose RS 151 
, for now I’m burning it in and not updating to the latest version, I need to listen to this version and then I’ll see if I’ll switch to the latest one and compare, or maybe update only when the next update is released.
I have a trusted dealer. He’s the only one I buy from, and more than a dealer, he’s a friend. He works honestly and reliably, and if HiFi Rose doesn’t do things right, it’s not the dealer’s fault.
I have a trusted dealer. He’s the only one I buy from, and more than a dealer, he’s a friend. He works honestly and reliably, and if HiFi Rose doesn’t do things right, it’s not the dealer’s fault. How would we know if the people who didn’t call your friend actually updated the software? Based on my experience and living in Argentina, the only thing I can tell you is that the only truth is each person’s own reality.
Cougar2025.
In my RS151 unit, all the filters listed in the right column came from the day I first turned it on, and as far as I can remember, they’re the same ones I had in my old RS250A. In both my RS250A and my RS151, I always used a Minimum Phase Slow Roll-off Filter.
Sorry, I’m a little confused.
I’m suggesting that the information at the top of the post appears to be correct and then added your information to this.
I’m going to take the word of Rose over those complaining. Note that there are probably things that can go wrong during an update or install so who knows…
Well did your friend tell you that other Rose customers were having issues?
My point was in support of the person who posted about their dealer saying that none of the other customers who bought Rose complained of issues.
My point was that the Dealer is going to be loyal to their customer because they sell more than one brand and the customer will buy more stuff from them if they have a positive relationship.
OK?
As I mentioned before, he’s more of a friend than a distributor, and I’m not going to complain about things he can’t control. For example, HiFi Rose, every time they release a software update, instead of fixing problems, they take a 50-step step back.
Take some time to see all the conversations, discussions, and complaints that arise every time they “update the software.”
Sorry, but now I’m confused.
When I find an issue w a piece of software that I am using… if I run into an issue/bug … I’ll ping my friend. Now there’s no expectation that he can do anything, but he can either confirm, the issue or offer some insight if there’s anyone else w the issue.
Working in IT for going on 40yrs now… I’ve seen it all. So yes, a lot of times when you roll out software you fix one thing and maybe break another. Yet a lot of times things go ok.
The problem w sites like this… you tend to see complaints and not people without issues.
And in looking at the posts… some installs may have had issues, but then they reinstall and things work out. So what do we learn from this? Did they hear an issue? Was it the update itself, or did something else go wrong?
My point is that someone talks to their dealer and the dealer says they haven’t heard any complaints then we should consider that to be a truthful statement.
Look, I’m not saying that everything is rosy and perfect … there are always warts. But I don’t think Rose is any worse than anyone else in the market and I also have lower expectations when it comes to software releases. Call me jaded from dealing upgrades for too many years.
4 Likes
Me too, I wait the next version.
1 Like
Of course, I completely agree that the distributor in a given country is not responsible; Producnet is responsible for everything. But if they write twice in a private email that the software wasn’t intended to interfere with the DAC or the sound in general, then that should be assumed and there should be no doubt about it.
My friend at the store is also a friend, and I believe him, saying he hasn’t received any calls from users, as does the manager from ROSE at the distributor. We must remember that lying is pointless and would not contribute anything to the case, and remember that these are relatively new devices, and the manufacturer wants to maximize sales.
I completely agree about system updates, so generally speaking, that it often happens that, say, two people are satisfied, but something happens to the third one. This happened more than once with the RS 250, and it will probably happen again.
Perhaps this is also due to the update sometimes being installed incorrectly, causing problems for some people, but not everyone. It’s also possible that it’s difficult to test updates before they’re released. Many companies struggle with this, even with much more experience than Rose.
It’s certainly true that some things are fixed with a given update, and we need to remember what one of our colleagues wrote here: most people aren’t satisfied, and the number of dissatisfied ones isn’t overwhelming either.
We need to remember that Rose streamers are combines and offer more features than, say, Lumins, where updates are likely simpler, plus they’ve been on the market longer and are more experienced. We have to believe that over time, Rose engineers will improve and become more adept at handling both system and application updates.
Regarding filters, Rose recommends the MINIMUM PHASE FAST ROLL OFF filter for those who are just starting out with Rose devices, but it might be worth experimenting with others and seeing how they sound in your system.
2 Likes