[Official] SW Ver 5.9 (Rose OS 5.9.07) Software Release

ROSE NOTICE New Software Release
#304

Hey Jimmyboy,

That’s right, and it was just meant as a little reference. :wink:

Since I had a few tube amps before my 520, and I’ve experimented with tubes and spent a lot of money on NOS tubes and newly produced tubes, and you also own a tube amp, check your tubes.

I know it sounds strange:

An update comes out and it sounds bad on your new 151.

But there are coincidences in life, things happen that you can’t explain. Maybe something’s wrong with your preamp tubes. Do you have any more tubes to swap?

As a die-hard tube amp fan, you should know that tubes age or even die.
I mean, consider all factors. Maybe your 151 is playing well, and a component in your setup has a weakness.

Speaking of which:

“How are your wife’s red lips?” :kiss: :kiss::kiss::laughing:

I haven’t forgotten that to this day…your answer was great back then.

:v:t2:

#305
  1. My EVO 300 Hybrid amp with Brimar CV 4003 tubes is doing great. In fact, I swapped out the RS250A and installed the RS151 the same day. Everything worked perfectly until I updated the RS151 software.

I’m not the only user complaining about the audio output from the unit. Other people who don’t have the RS151 and have updated are experiencing similar issues. Take a moment and look at all the complaints here about this.

  1. My lips come and go. Your wife probably has the same problem: some days they’re red, other days they’re more pink or have a hint of cream. Life is very strange, and as far as I know, wives don’t give a damn about this whole audio equipment thing.
#306

I always read everything. Every morning before work. You’ve complained a lot, and maybe rightly so.

But there’s one thing I don’t understand!

There wasn’t a proper answer from Rose on this topic (or your problem).

That’s a bit strange, too.

In any case, I’ll continue to follow this.

PS:
I’d be pissed off too if I spent $5,000 on a new device and it suddenly sounded like crap.

#307

The answer I got from HiFi Rose is that the last update didn’t touch or modify anything, referring to the DAC or the audio and as far as I’m concerned, they are lying to me.

The truth is, I don’t like to complain or waste time, but if I do, it’s because in my case, things really are the way they are!

#308

JMBARG

I and a few friends had the RS 250 and experienced software problems more than once. What’s more, after an update, everything was fine, while one of my friends had something wrong, and a third had something else. So just because you didn’t have it doesn’t mean everyone had it. Just like now, when several people are having your problem, many either don’t have it or have rolled back to the previous version and then reinstalled the latest one and are happy. Hundreds of people around the world might be happy, we don’t know, because relatively few people visit this forum.

Many companies have problems with software and the devices themselves, not just those costing $5,000, but those costing three or four times as much, like the Aurender A 15 or A 20, and people somehow move on. Engineers are there to fix their own bugs, and we hope Rose will continue in this direction.

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#309

The units should work out of the box with the pre-installed software. Software updates should be for enhancements and they should be optional. The original pre-installed software should always be available to the purchaser by download.

Plus… File Manager should be part of the original, pre-installed software, not as an add on.

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#310

Jedenaście
In my humble opinion, you’re mistaken. Out-of-the-box devices should work like CD players, amplifiers, etc. Devices like streaming players, drives, cell phones, tablets, TVs, computers, and many other devices should be periodically improved and refined to keep up with the latest technological developments. Unfortunately, things are happening quickly, so changes are necessary from time to time, as manufacturers must keep their devices up to date with this technology. Mistakes have always been, are, and will continue to be made; it’s inevitable, but engineers must be behind all of this, capable of quickly resolving errors when updating their devices.

#311

Actually, I think we agree more than you think. Periodic improvements are welcome and modern connected devices that permit updates to the firmware are de rigueur. That said, the device should work out of the box and improvements should be optional for the purchaser. Updates should not be bug fixes, the bugs should be worked out before the product gets to market.

#312

Thanks :slight_smile:

Says the guy with REL “subwoofers”? Being a well-trained little consumer believing anything and everything written in a store window does not make you knowledgeable or well-informed. It just shows that you have a problem with critical thinking.

Original software, depending on when you bought the unit, could be totally broken, too. But yes, there should be a repository of previous versions and and easy enough way to roll back if needed. Companies that actually believe in customer service, like Lennbrook, do make it possible to roll back to previous BluOS versions if something you need is broken in a new release…

Honestly, not so sure about that. It is of any use only to people who use RS-series’ storage. If, like me, you are only using it as a Roon endpoint (or, for that matter, only stream from one of the supported services) why would you want or need the file manager?

That would be nice to have, but rather unheard of in the real world. Rose just does particularly bad job of it. Their software development team is blissfully unaware of good software engineering practices (and from the time it took them to get the library scanning speed to the level of a 20 years old PocketPC, programming in general), and their support “infrastructure” is one or two guys (has anyone seen RoseLoa lately?) occasionally checking the forums and trying to convince users that PEQ is bad…

#313

See Boris you’re just a hater.

As to the Rel… it was recommended to me by the Mon Acoustic guys as a good match for their Supermon Mini.

I bet you run w the SVS subs…

#314

And we were getting along so well. Just kidding.

And why should the software that comes with the unit not work? Why release it to market if it doesn’t?

I have an RS130 with the capability to add an internal SSD. You need File Manager to transfer your music files to the SSD. Why should an app integral to one of the main features of the unit not be included?

If someone told me that it would not work out of the box and that I would have to update the system 3 more times and it still would not work as advertised, I never would have bought this thing. I probably would have bit down hard and brought a Bartok. But again, I did not know and thought I could defer my purchase of a DAC. And on paper, as a streamer / network transport, this thing does so much more than the Bartok.

I would definitely make this thing a Roon endpoint if it will solve my problems. But first I will do a factory reset, test it out as is, then install the latest software again. If that doesn’t work, Roon it is.

#315

Giving even Rose a benefit of a doubt, because sh*t happens. We all would want at least everything advertised as working to work well, but bugs are a fact of life.The difference is how the company would handle it. Back when I got my first Rose (and four a year or two after that) indexing an external library on a Rose “worked.” It just would take days.Granted, it was long before the 130 appeared, but would you want to roll back to that? By now they had at least got it to the point where it indexes almost as well as a PowerNODE costing 1/10th.

I don’t object to it being included, just saying that since it can be loaded in a minute through official means, from the Rose Store, it does not seem to be a big deal to me. Just like I would load Qobuz on it, and someone else would load Tidal, or Bugs, or something else. At least we do have an option of using the internal storage for something we find valuable.

At least Bartok does include a DAC (and a good one at that) so IMHO if you are willing to spend that much on a streamer might as well get the unit that does everything… While I am not at all convinced that a dCS sounds that much more better, at least it is known to work.

My personal opinion (and that, of course, very much depends on how you listen to music and what’s important to you) Roon is the best thing to happen to listening to music at home since the invention of digital media… If we are talking Rose, let alone dCS equipment, a lifetime subscription to Roon and a price of a perfectly good server machine to run it on is totally negligible, and it generally just works.

That figures. You might as well say that it improved the sound of your Bose Acoustimass.

You keep saying all those fancy words, like “clock” or “subwoofer” without having any idea what they mean. REL is the Cadillac Cimarron of “subwoofers” (and I am using the term loosely). It’s priced like a Cadillac, it looks “rich” if you’re the kind of person who thinks that a fake gold Rolex size of a small satellite dish makes you look rich sand sophisticated. It just does not “sub-woof” at all. Especially your T-series. Quite like Cimarron being a Chevy Cavalier and driving like one.

My bookshelf speakers have more good bass than your RELs. Although it’s hard to find any good speakers that have less bass than a REL.

If you do not realize that yes, even SVS (at least they make subwoofers, not big cardboard boxes with crowns on them) outperform any REL model, including the $10K reference, that is just another proof that you know absolutely nothing about audio.

#316

Boris,

Do you recommend doing with the Roon Nucleus or a Mac mini as my Roon server? I assume they will both do the job, but is there any difference in user experience?

Also, I was never convinced that spending $20K+ on a Bartok was the way to go. I was hoping that I could get a “streamer / network transport” and defer my DAC purchase. I like to spend within a budget and obtain the “best” in its price range component. I usually end up spending a bit more, but the Bartok seemed a little crazy, even to me and even with its nearly universal recommendations. I listened to it through Wilson speakers and McIntosh amplification, but still could not justify the expense. But the daily annoyance factor of the RS130 has found me questioning my decision.

#317

Do you already have the Mini? If so, just use that and don’t waste money. If not… Nucleus has basically one advantage to it – it’s quite quiet (but then so is Mac Mini). If you will have it sitting in your listening room, it might be important. If you have it sitting somewhere else, it does not really matter.

Theoretically, Roon themselves would support the Nucleus, but software-wise they support Roon on any officially supported (ahem) OS anyway, and if you buy a new device you get manufacturer’s warranty for the hardware anyway.

From the usability point of view, while Nucleus is mostly plug and play, it (and a very similar homemade NUC running ROCK OS on it) have pretty much zero management and monitoring capabilities. And if it runs out of memory (e.g. you have too large a library) it simply crashes instead of slowing down.

Given that you can’t even get the Nucleus to gracefully shut down if the power goes out (obviously, you need a UPS connected to it, but why would you run a server without one anyway?). And hardware in a Nucleus is a totally generic PC in a nice case with decent thermal management.

Personally, I am running Roon on a Synology NAS sitting in the office. But then I need a NAS for other reasons. If you can find some use for it, might as well run in on a NAS and use it for something else at the same time. If you don’t, and you’d need to buy something, just get some $400 or so PC and shove it in the closet somewhere…

Here we could get into a long (and pointless) audiophile discussion about what “best” means. dCS definitely knows how to make a good DAC. They pretty much wrote a book on that. Alas, as far as I am concerned (or any blind test, too) at this point you get equally accurate output from a DAC that costs 1/100th of a dCS. It’s something you buy because it’s well-built, good looking, and has some impressive (if totally overkill) engineering in it. Kind of like buying an IWC watch – great kit, certainly lots of good reasons to get one, if the price is affordable, but you very much do not get it because it shows time better than a $30 Casio :slight_smile:

Can you try a Wiim or something through the same setup and at the same volume (not that any high-end dealer would agree to that!)? You might find yourself surprised…

I don’t have (or want) a 130, which on top of other Rose software problems also is finicky connecting to external DACs, especially third-party ones. With the other Roses I have, I have never had any issues using them as Roon endpoints. Annoying to have to check whether the latest update had wiped out audio output settings again, but so far (knock on wood :slight_smile: ) that part has been quite stable. Using one of their units with a built-in DAC removes a lot of moving parts and points of failure from the equation, still gives you that nice big screen, and sounds just as fine. And costs less. If you create a good correction filter and use it in Roon you will even get quite state of the art sound quality in the actual room…

#318

I tested Roon on a Mac mini M2 pro, it works perfectly and it’s silent

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#319

Dear HiFi Rose Support Team,

I am an RS520 user, and after updating to the latest firmware, I have encountered the following issues:
1. When powering on the device from standby mode, the output is locked to HDMI and cannot be changed. The only temporary solution is to unplug the power cable and restart the unit.
2. When putting the unit into standby mode by pressing the power button after use, an error message appears. The device then restarts itself and goes back to standby mode. The next time I try to use it, the same problem occurs again, and I have to unplug the power cable and restart it to temporarily resolve the issue.

Could you please advise on how to fix these problems?

Thank you for your assistance.

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#320

Hi HifiRose support team, I have a RS150B and now not able to use because the update enforced me to setup a PIN code + ZIP Code with validation.
I am not able to set a valid Zip code as Hong Kong does not use ZIP code, or we usually use 852 which does not pass the validation, the validation of 8 digit ZIP code is nonsense and ridiculous! How could I be able to use the device again?

#321

There is no postal code

There is an 8-digit Pin Code and confirmation of the same 8-digit code!!

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#322

Gotcha thanks @Gillesbonatti
This means there is a translation issue in Traditional Chinese in the input form.

#323

The proposed PIN entry keyboard allows the entry of alphanumeric characters and not just numbers.